Snake bites

diverrick

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Tis the season for rattlers to be out, and every year dogs get bitten. I just saw today that a fellow propsector had his dog die from a snake bite. I am truly sorry for his loss. Having been there done that before with one of my beloved dogs, I can speak from experience. The only true way to help the pet is to get them to the emergency vet ASAP, where they can administer the antivenon, and antibiotics to halt infections. Yes, it is going to be really expensive, but I believe my dogs are just as important as kids. I am adding this next paragraph for more detail.

Fact: There is absolutely no scientifically sound evidence that electric shock or the use of any stun gun on a snakebite, either in man or animal, is effective in preventing the effects of venomous snakebite. In victims with serious snakebite who used the device they still had symptoms of snakebite and required standardized medical treatment including antivenom. They may have had some relief from pain and swelling as a result of the shock but that is all.

There is also a vaccine your local vet can give your dogs, that makes the snake bite far less of an injury. But you must get the dogs vaccinated ahead of time. IIRC, it is a series of shots to start with, then a booster once a year afterwards. The shots cost a little up front, but it pays off when the dog gets bitten, you don't have to pay for all the emergency room stuff. They treat it like an infection rather than a poisoning. I personally will not take my dog with me when out prospecting for this reason alone. But they can also be bitten at home too. So please get your dog the shots and pray they never have to experience what my poor old dog did. BTW, mine made it through, I was out a lot of money, he had a big scar on his leg for the rest of his life. Good news he never messed with a snake again! Guess he learned.
 

Do you have a citation for your 'Fact'? Not challenging you but I would like to see the source to help me decide on its veracity. Everything scientific that I have read has shown mixed results and it is my understanding that the jury is still out on this. Would love to see Science that I am unaware of.....

The working theory used to be that the application of the current changed the highly positive charge (speaking simply on this) on the venom and caused it to not bind so readily to tissue. And iirc, there was a very specific model of stun gun that seemed to work and no other models ever did. Something to do with a specific amount of current, not voltage.
 

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I was with you right up until you said " I believe my dogs are just as important as kids."

nonsense
 

My friend and I were digging up a gold bearing rock and a small snake almost went up his pants. Poor snake. At least the snake wasn't hurt! (Non poisonous.)
 

All pets and people need to be careful when around all snakes. Good hunting and good luck.
 

I was with you right up until you said " I believe my dogs are just as important as kids."

nonsense

I have to agree with you mate. If I have to choose between my child or the pet. Child wins. I know some people who would choose the pet. I love animals but, they aren't human beings.
 

I kill every damned, poisonous one that I run across so nothing gets bitten! PETA can go to Hell too and anybody else if they don't like it! :cussing:
 

I was very fortunate wearing brand new unwashed jeans back when jeans were made of heavier material. At age 12 I was bitten by a copperhead. I was squatting fixing a hole in the chicken wire and the jeans were tight on my knee. All the venom was on the material and my knee had only a scratch from the fangs.

I was very very lucky that day. Granny used to say "watch out for the snakes".
 

Dogs as important as Children??????????????????????//:BangHead:
What Planet are you from?
Marvin
 

I kill every damned, poisonous one that I run across so nothing gets bitten! PETA can go to Hell too and anybody else if they don't like it! :cussing:

I like your attitude!! I kill everyone I come across....the only good rattler, is a dead one!!:thumbsup:
 

I have to agree with you mate. If I have to choose between my child or the pet. Child wins. I know some people who would choose the pet. I love animals but, they aren't human beings.

You're right...they're better than human beings. Most of them at least.
 

Anyone who says pets are as important as children never had children and I pity any child with a parent who makes such a claim.
 

I think to be fair we should perhaps focus on the well meaning part of the op's intention. As I read it he's debunking stunguns as treatment for snakebite. I dont think it was kids vs dogs.

That said, where I live I have the delightful Puff Adder everywhere I detect....they play dead and wont move out the way (yet are very fast strikers when need be) move at about 1/2 walking pace and normally kill you if you are 6 hours from help. Lets face it, it adds a little sizzle to detecting - it's all good sport!

To be honest though I spend as much time in nature as possible so my movement detection, animal/ human/ insect /tracking, weather spotting, tree /plant identification is pretty much on point.

chub
 

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The poisonous ones can do what they want; I do, however, destroy all the venomous ones I come across!!!
 

I shot one in the house once.... that, um went surprisingly well....I put it outside then had to go and collect a new TV. Came back and the snake had gone! Turns out it was still allive?! WTH? anyway ended up cutting it in half (just to make sure) ha ha

Another time back in the mid 90s I had a bag of chicken feed on the back porch...that attracted some mice...that attracted a big red bellied black snake.(lived in Australia) It was living under the dog house next to the feed. My brother had a Franchi spas (spelling?) ready. The plan was for me to lift the dog house with a pole while he emptied the spas into the snake nest. It all went well until I lifted the dog house...lets just say my brother didnt get a shot off before the snake raced off at high speed! On a side note the franchi spas had a terrible flaw. If you pulled the trigger when the safety was on it didnt fire....but ....when you put the safety off it fired the round off!! Would not recommend.


Chub
 

I shot one in the house once.... that, um went surprisingly well....I put it outside then had to go and collect a new TV. Came back and the snake had gone! Turns out it was still allive?! WTH? anyway ended up cutting it in half (just to make sure) ha ha

Another time back in the mid 90s I had a bag of chicken feed on the back porch...that attracted some mice...that attracted a big red bellied black snake.(lived in Australia) It was living under the dog house next to the feed. My brother had a Franchi spas (spelling?) ready. The plan was for me to lift the dog house with a pole while he emptied the spas into the snake nest. It all went well until I lifted the dog house...lets just say my brother didnt get a shot off before the snake raced off at high speed! On a side note the franchi spas had a terrible flaw. If you pulled the trigger when the safety was on it didnt fire....but ....when you put the safety off it fired the round off!! Would not recommend.


Chub

Does he still have that SPAS-12? They sell for quite a bit now.
 

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