Several differant things to post

[TORRERO]

take a look and give me your idea of what these are,
they were dug in different places at differant times,
the fishing weight I am trying to get a date on as for age...
not sure what the other items are, but you guys are so good someone will ID these
fast.. and tell me if any of these are worth money.
Thanks
Richard

The first piece I have no idea what it is, it has intricate designs along the sides and may have
been gold plated, as I can see what appears to be plating.
Found at an old homesite.

Second piece some kind of button looking thing with a star design in the middle. I believe
its polyurathane plastic with a brass back, found I think in a church yard, but maybe sidewalk hunting in Columbia.

Third piece is an unknown some type of buckle. looks kindoff like the CW connecting buckles
but I don't know. Don't remember where that was dug.

fourth piece is as some type of buckle part, maybe someone can ID as to make or model
and aprox year. can't remember where that was dug either.

Last is the fishing weight.... wondering when it might have been made as it looks hand made, dug around an old house site.

 

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[TORRERO]

Why would a glove holder need a chain?

I showed this to a friend of mine (in her 80's), and she's never seen (or had) anything like it.

The chain on it is a question for me - especially since it is not made of anything nice (like a "lady" would use)?

B

I know there seems to be a lot of questions about this, after 25 years hunting I have seen almost
everything I can think of come out of the ground and I can ID most of it on the spot.
Just because I have never seen something does not mean it does not exist.
That said, the chain apparently holds it to something else on your clothes...
My chain does not seem very nice, granted this is true, but you must also consider a copper
chain that is "Plated" being in the ground for 60 - 70 years, most of the plating will be gone
and now the chain is none too fancy....
I must consider everything, looking closely at these pictures,
the size is correct, the shape is correct, the
chain is correct, there is also fancy designs on the outside of mine, with some gold plating remaining
on the inside... also correctly pictured.
I'm the hardest person to sell a story to if I don't believe it, but for me there really is no doubt that this is correct.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Well, for absolutely sure - #1 is NOT a ladies glove holder. (obviously it's way too small to be a slave collar too), and it certainly is NOT a curb chain.

I wonder what is really is.

B


Never mind, I found out - it is a falcon leg restraint.

I thought this was solved by dg39 and a great ID at that. . Where is the falcon leg restraint pic or link?

 

[mojjax]

Well, for absolutely sure - #1 is NOT a ladies glove holder. (obviously it's way too small to be a slave collar too), and it certainly is NOT a curb chain.

I wonder what is really is.

B


Never mind, I found out - it is a falcon leg restraint.

I thought this was solved by dg39 and a great ID at that. . Where is the falcon leg restraint pic or link?

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/11/66611-004-568C28B9.jpg

 

[TORRERO]

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/11/66611-004-568C28B9.jpg

This is number 1 ??
Yea right !!

 

[Lucas]

Um, your falcon restraint is made of leather... not metal with a fancy pattern on it.

 

[IronSpike]

No. 1 already solved by dg39 Ladies glove holder used in the 1930-50's:

Ladies would hook the chain around their purse handles or through a button hole and keep their gloves safe while dining.

http://outofthiscentury.wordpress.com/

 

[TORRERO]

No. 1 already solved by dg39 Ladies glove holder used in the 1930-50's:

Ladies would hook the chain around their purse handles or through a button hole and keep their gloves safe while dining.

http://outofthiscentury.wordpress.com/

like I said

 

[Lucas]

Or could it have been used to shackle miniature slaves and giant falcons to cheese sandwiches?

Mmmmm... cheese sandwich...

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Well, for absolutely sure - #1 is NOT a ladies glove holder. (obviously it's way too small to be a slave collar too), and it certainly is NOT a curb chain.

I wonder what is really is.

B


Never mind, I found out - it is a falcon leg restraint.

I thought this was solved by dg39 and a great ID at that. . Where is the falcon leg restraint pic or link?

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/11/66611-004-568C28B9.jpg

Thanks mojjax. I think Mrs O is mistaken this time. It appears dg39's ID is correct. Great pic IS. I think is near the green check time.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Mrs. O is not saying its right or wrong.

Mrs. O is saying it does not look like your picture, and what "lady" that wore gloves would use an ugly hunk of metal for hanging them?
Just looking for a logical answer to what is considered solved.

Also, one chain?

Actually, its the ugly chain that has me questioning. (by the way, falcon leg holds come in leather and metal).

If it is a ladies glove hanger, why the ugly, undecorative, chain? (won't even talk about how that chain would mess up a pair of light colored gloves if it came in contact with it).

If you are sure of what it is, then you should be able to answer the questions - --- I would think. When something is identified, I like to know more about it.

Beth

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Mrs. O is not saying its right or wrong.

Mrs. O is saying it does not look like your picture, and what "lady" that wore gloves would use an ugly hunk of metal for hanging them?
Just looking for a logical answer to what is considered solved.

Also, one chain?

Actually, its the ugly chain that has me questioning. (by the way, falcon leg holds come in leather and metal).

If it is a ladies glove hanger, why the ugly, undecorative, chain? (won't even talk about how that chain would mess up a pair of light colored gloves if it came in contact with it).

If you are sure of what it is, then you should be able to answer the questions - --- I would think. When something is identified, I like to know more about it.

Beth, are you disagreeing with the ID made by dg39?

I know it looks ugly now but dont forget the item was at one time gold plated, including the chain. It looks close enough to me. Much closer than any falcon leg hold pic posted. A chain may be missing.

The first piece I have no idea what it is, it has intricate designs along the sides and may have
been gold plated, as I can see what appears to be plating.
Found at an old homesite.

 

[TORRERO]

I have found many items over the years that had gold plating but the amount of plating
that survives on an item depends on the original quality and amount of gold plating.
Some things look pretty good, like CW buttons...
Some things show signs of plating but not much remains after years in the ground...
Like CW buttons...

I think these things were made for decorations, and were not plated well...
All plating lost on the outside, with only small amounts remaining on the inside portion..

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Actually - I'm not disagreeing. I'm just trying to figure out what it looked like and why would someone use a crappy chain - especially to gild?

And I was under the impression that it was ASSUMED to be gold plated? It, to me, does not LOOK like the other one posted. Not the chain, not the kind of chain, and not the other end - and certainly doesn't look like it was plated with anything. (I mean, honestly, it looks like an old dog tie-out chain on the end). Especially compared to the fancy one that is posted. (lighter chain, better quality).

So, I'm trying to figure it out - I've looked at dozens on line - none that have a chain that looks like that (yes, I'm back to the chain - mostly because that's the part I don't get).

Beth

Sorry, my timing on hitting "post" was bad. Most of the medals we see DO have little tiny remnants of gilding, if it was there. If the circle part survived its decorations, you would think that some gold or silver would have survived - even a little, somewhere on it.

 

[dg39]

Actually - I'm not disagreeing. I'm just trying to figure out what it looked like and why would someone use a crappy chain - especially to gild?

And I was under the impression that it was ASSUMED to be gold plated? It, to me, does not LOOK like the other one posted. Not the chain, not the kind of chain, and not the other end - and certainly doesn't look like it was plated with anything. (I mean, honestly, it looks like an old dog tie-out chain on the end). Especially compared to the fancy one that is posted. (lighter chain, better quality).

So, I'm trying to figure it out - I've looked at dozens on line - none that have a chain that looks like that (yes, I'm back to the chain - mostly because that's the part I don't get).

Beth

Sorry, my timing on hitting "post" was bad. Most of the medals we see DO have little tiny remnants of gilding, if it was there. If the circle part survived its decorations, you would think that some gold or silver would have survived - even a little, somewhere on it.

I have been a national antique dealer for over 30 years. Traveling all over the U.S. and Europe...I have had and sold at least 2 of these glove holders during that time. Although they were not popular ..there were several different types and styles made. I am not a betting person but I would bet the bank on this one.
As far as chains go...It could have been a replacement..who knows?
DG

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I guess Im the only one that thinks the chain looks the same.

 

[dg39]

I guess Im the only one that thinks the chain looks the same.

It is identical...Just humoring the poster.
DG

 

[Silver Searcher]

Mrs. O is not saying its right or wrong.

Mrs. O is saying it does not look like your picture, and what "lady" that wore gloves would use an ugly hunk of metal for hanging them?
Just looking for a logical answer to what is considered solved.

Also, one chain?

Actually, its the ugly chain that has me questioning. (by the way, falcon leg holds come in leather and metal).

If it is a ladies glove hanger, why the ugly, undecorative, chain? (won't even talk about how that chain would mess up a pair of light colored gloves if it came in contact with it).

If you are sure of what it is, then you should be able to answer the questions - --- I would think. When something is identified, I like to know more about it.

Beth

I have to agree there's a bit of over kill as far as the chain goes, ladies glove hanger, I would hate to meet the Lady that needs a chain as heavy as that for a glove holder , the Lead things a plumb bob like Danno said, makes no sence to make a fishing weight that shape

SS

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have sold many brass and cast iron plumb bobs. Im not saying they didnt make all lead plumb bobs but I cant recall ever selling one. Maybe someone can find a pic of a pyramid shaped lead plumb bob. Maybe the original plumb bob was lead.

Because its lead and the eye is clogged, I say homeade pyramid lead sinker.



As far as the chain, it looks identical to dg and I. The top pic is just larger (not the chain)

 

[IronSpike]

Still debating the 1st item

Check out how simple the chain is on this ladies glove holder:

http://www.happy-memories.com/display.aspx?inv=6638&server=www.happy-memories.com/pix&page=Compacts

 

[TORRERO]

Ok, now that we agree as to what it is....
The real question is....
How many of you guys out there have actually dug one of these...
I would bet its a rare thing to dig...