Second Gold Coin

[saanich2018]

In October 2021, I found a gold coin on the beach. It was one of my best finds up until then. Well, I have now tied it. (See my post from October 23, 2021)

Due to hurricane Debbie blowing up the east coast of Florida last week and then, across to the Atlantic, it stirred up a lot of the ocean and beaches. I noticed there were several new sand bars at low tide, about 150 feet offshore. The sand bars were dry or only had about 2” of water on them at low tide. Therefore, I decided to give them a try. For the longest time I found nothing, then I got a hit. When I dug it up, about 8” deep, it was another one of the Pedro gold coins – also known as Pirate Gold.

I was shocked. While this one is not in as good condition as the first one I found, it is still in very good shape.

What is also amazing is later that same evening, I met another man using a detector and he was excited because he had just found one as well, about 200 yards further down the beach, also on a sand bar. I explained to him what it was and he got even more excited!

As with the previous coin I found, I will get it certified when I get back home. These type coins were stolen from the Spanish by pirates in the Caribbean.

I have searched the area several more times, but with no luck.

The facts of this gold coin are:

Pedro II gold 4000 Reis 1702 UNC Details (Surface Hairlines) NGC, Lisbon mint. This type was minted in Lisbon 1683-1706 and was the largest gold coin prior to the introduction of the peça (6400 réis), at which time the moidore was reduced to 8.06 g. The reduced size moidore was struck only in Brazil. For 1702, medal and coin rotations are known. Specification: 10.78 g, .917 fine gold.

 

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[ARC]

I am sorry to be the one to break it to you but this is a modern copy / fantasy piece.

 

[saanich2018]

I am sorry to be the one to break it to you but this is a modern copy / fantasy piece.

I am not so sure. The first one I found I had it appraised at two different places and they said it was real and gave me a certificate of authenticity - and wanted to buy it.

I will find out.

 

[CTWaterHunter]

It's a replica. I'm looking at one right now on Amazon.

 

[ncsuwolf]

I am sorry to be the one to break it to you but this is a modern copy / fantasy piece.

I’ll start of by saying I am not questioning you. For my knowledge, how did you determine it’s a replica? Is it the little grey spots on the coin, size, or something else?

 

[Mackaydon]

Here's the OP's first coin original posting thread:

My First Gold Coin - and Best Find to Date

My best finds to date. I have just had this certified. Found this earlier this month buried in sand on a beach about 15” deep. Waited until I knew it was real to post. How it got there or why it was there is a mystery. I was told this is called "Pirate Gold". These type coins were...

www.treasurenet.com

Don in SoCal

 

[ARC]

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The facts of this gold coin are:

Pedro II gold 4000 Reis 1702 UNC Details (Surface Hairlines) NGC, Lisbon mint. This type was minted in Lisbon 1683-1706 and was the largest gold coin prior to the introduction of the peça (6400 réis), at which time the moidore was reduced to 8.06 g. The reduced size moidore was struck only in Brazil. For 1702, medal and coin rotations are known. Specification: 10.78 g, .917 fine gold.

This information you posted pertains to the coin you found before... not to this coin... for this is not the same coin.
The coin you have posted this time is a copy. IMO
You asked how i know...
Well... when you have seen a lot of things... you tend to know something eventually.

Listen... I would love to be wrong on this for your sake.
But this coin lacks the attributions / details that would make it a real cob.
It is not just suspect... its highly suspect... again IMO.

 

[ARC]

It's a replica. I'm looking at one right now on Amazon.

yes... that is the coin... good job.

 

[Urien of Rheged]

Apart from the obvious colour issues and those greyish areas, it looks to have been cast rather than hammered. That is the real give away here that this is indeed a replica.
Sorry about that one pal.

 

[pepperj]

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The facts of this gold coin are:

Pedro II gold 4000 Reis 1702 UNC Details (Surface Hairlines) NGC, Lisbon mint. This type was minted in Lisbon 1683-1706 and was the largest gold coin prior to the introduction of the peça (6400 réis), at which time the moidore was reduced to 8.06 g. The reduced size moidore was struck only in Brazil. For 1702, medal and coin rotations are known. Specification: 10.78 g, .917 fine gold.

The facts that you have stated are for this coin.

This was the coin that you found previously October 23, 2021

This is the coin that you found now.

You seem to have the facts regarding the latest coin mixed up with the previous recovery.

 

[ARC]

The facts that you have stated are for this coin.

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This was the coin that you found previously October 23, 2021

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You seem to have the facts regarding the latest coin mixed up with the previous recovery.

I only repeated what you stated.
THIS coin is the one i am referring to... and don't know why you included information from another coin on this coins thread to begin with.
In fact i will retract the above statement i made of it being a "copy"... for it is not a copy of anything...
For...
This coin does not even exist to begin with be copied from.
Therefore ... and hence....
It is a completely "made up" fake coin.
Sorry...
and hard to swallow i see....
but .....
it is....
what it is....
AND...
what it is not.
heh

 

[pepperj]

I only repeated what you stated.
This coin is the one i am referring to... and don't know why you included information from another coin on this coins thread to begin with.
In fact i will retract the above statement i made of it being a "copy"... for it is not a copy of anything...
For...
This coin does not even exist to begin with be copied from.
Therefore ... and hence....
It is a completely "made up" fake coin.

To show the OP and the readership what his facts were actually.
He's given an ID that was for his other recovery.

 

[ARC]

To show the OP and the readership what his facts were actually.
He's given an ID that was for his other recovery.

There are no facts to this coin.... for it is not a coin.
The facts of another coin... really..... dont belong here at all.

The other coin should not even be talked about in this thread AS it ONLY adds confusion IMO.

At best / most a link ONLY should have been added to the other coins thread.

 

[pepperj]

There are no facts to this coin.... for it is not a coin.
The facts of another coin... really..... dont belong here at all.

The other coin should not even be talked about in this thread AS it ONLY adds confusion IMO.

At best / most a link ONLY should have been added to the other coins thread.

So he posts a fake.
Then gives an ID for that coin.
But you're saying nobody should of pointed that out?

 

[ARC]

So he posts a fake.
Then gives an ID for that coin.
But you're saying nobody should of pointed that out?

Bah... i am lost on this at this point and too bored and uninterested (no offense) to re read it all and sleuth it all out.
Re address another time.

 

[pepperj]

Bah... i am lost on this at this point and too bored and uninterested (no offense) to re read it all and sleuth it all out.
Re address another time.

Well it's pretty simple his ID.

Look it up then you'll realize that it is totally incorrect.

But it you choose to let mistakes slide. No problem either.

 

[saanich2018]

Wow. I did not mean to create such hostile responses.

When I started this post, I had just found the coin and it looked like the original one I found. I assumed it was of the same heritage.

My mistake. I am sorry. I was not trying to fool anyone or cause any problems here.

I still plan on taking it by the local coin shop I deal with and I will get back to you.

No matter what, it was a find find and isn't that what we all are doing here - just trying to have some fun??

 

[ARC]

Wow. I did not mean to create such hostile responses.

When I started this post, I had just found the coin and it looked like the original one I found. I assumed it was of the same heritage.

My mistake. I am sorry. I was not trying to fool anyone or cause any problems here.

I still plan on taking it by the local coin shop I deal with and I will get back to you.

No matter what, it was a find find and isn't that what we all are doing here - just trying to have some fun??

No worries... no hostility... more matter of fact.