Season 7 - The story goes on...

[sasquash]

Franklin, stop making things up and go back to that post where you have been arguing with yourself for 67 pages using another name.

More info on that please ?

 

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[franklin]

Not since I was in the Boy Scouts. Have you ever noticed that unless you are on the Equator that where the sun appears to the observer at noon changes because of the inclination of the Earth and it's elliptical orbit around the sun? Which is to say - the length of the shadow at noon changes between the vernal to autumnal equinoxes in a cycle.

But knowing the treasure was due East (or West) is handy. There's about 50 miles between the Latitude lines at that Longitude (44 degrees N); so 50 times 360 means you have it narrowed down to 18,000 miles. Though presumably you's stop digging when you ran out of island.

You never make any sense at all. The Knights Templar were more knowledgeable than you give them credit for. I know they traveled in this manner. I also know that other parties even hundreds of years later could find the markers, follow the markers and get to where they were going or either find what they were looking for. I have followed their markers and found the location of each one except the last one. And I have the last one near enough to make an educated guess where it is located. You most likely will see some of this on the new show, "Beyond Oak Island."

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Sorry. I know science is hard.

I never said the Templars didn't seem to have a grasp on navigation, now, did I?

But we are discussing things in North America that has nothing at all to do with them.

 

[franklin]

I would not be too sure, if I were you. The Knights Templar have been all over this country before Christopher Columbus even decided to sail.

 

[ECS]

I would not be too sure, if I were you. The Knights Templar have been all over this country before Christopher Columbus even decided to sail.

...and you know this and can prove it with solid historical documentation.
So far you have stated that several treasures have been buried on Oak Island- Sinclair, Templars, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, ect- but the real question is WHY Oak Island.
How did this obscure location become the treasure depository of all these different people to bury the 11-12 treasures you have mentioned?
And, most importantly, WHY did they bury it if they never intended to recover said treasure?

 

[lokiblossom]

There's about 50 miles between the Latitude lines at that Longitude (44 degrees N);

You should double check this statement Charlie, although we did know what you meant.

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

...and you know this and can prove it with solid historical documentation.
So far you have stated that several treasures have been buried on Oak Island- Sinclair, Templars, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, ect- but the real question is WHY Oak Island.
How did this obscure location become the treasure depository of all these different people to bury the 11-12 treasures you have mentioned?
And, most importantly, WHY did they bury it if they never intended to recover said treasure?

Read my post and you will know why---Oak Island. Their ship of treasure was cast into the middle of Oak Island most likely where the Swamp is today. They tried for five weeks with over 200 Knights Templar and over 100 crew to get the ship to the South Shore and failed. They buried the treasure in two locations. Later recovering one of the treasures which was only one half of the ship's cargo of treasure in 1770 along with the treasures of five other ship's cargo of treasure. One ship sank in Mahone Bay with no survivors. The treasure of this ship is either still in the bay or recovered and placed with the other treasure already on Oak Island. These treasures were the treasures of the Katherine ship wrecked on Oak Island and the Ortus which sank in the bay south of the Swamp. This was in 1398. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship was the Katherine and on his previous trip in 1395 his ship was the Ortus which sank in Mahone Bay in 1398. I will explain no more if you ask any more questions. This is my final answer to you.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

You should double check this statement Charlie, although we did know what you meant.

Cheers, Loki

Oops at 44N 69W (Nova Scotia) moving to 44N 70W it works out to 49.51 miles (43 nautical miles) between the Longitude lines when traveling directly west along the Latitude line. My bad.

https://stevemorse.org/nearest/distance.php

As I said - "Science is hard". I should just make something up like the Templars knew to hold a globe at 90 degrees off axis to be sneaky and those were Templar coordinates as hidden in code in the Book of Zimran than only I have decoded. ;-)

 

[ECS]

Read my post and you will know why---Oak Island.
Their ship of treasure was cast into the middle of Oak Island most likely where the Swamp is today. They tried for five weeks with over 200 Knights Templar and over 100 crew to get the ship to the South Shore and failed.
They buried the treasure in two locations...
These treasures were the treasures of the Katherine ship wrecked on Oak Island and the Ortus which sank in the bay south of the Swamp.
This was in 1398. Sir Henry Sinclair's ship was the Katherine and on his previous trip in 1395 his ship was the Ortus which sank in Mahone Bay in 1398.
I will explain no more if you ask any more questions. This is my final answer to you.

All of this is from Diana Jean Muir's 'found" Sinclair Journals, which she stated were copies of copies with NO actual provenance of being real journals written by Earl Henry Sinclair.
There exists NO outside collaborating document or record contemporary with Earl Henry Sinclair that mentions these voyages, or his being gone from Orkney or Scotland for any amount of time, neglecting vassal obligation duties required by his Oath of Fealty taken when he became the Earl of Orkney.
Bishop Thomas of Orkney, a contemporary of Earl Henry, states Sinclair was defending at the Scottish/English border in 1398, honoring his Oath of Fealty obligations, not on a voyage to Oak Island.
Earl Henry's grandson compiled the SINCLAIR DIPLOMA genealogy, and there is NO mention of any great voyages to the New World by Earl Henry or any previous Sinclair, or Templars or treasure.
this very first mention of these "voyages", as you know, was 450 years after Henry's death when Richard Henry Major deceptively translated the fictional Zeno narrative adventure , changing "Prince Zichmni" to "Prince Sinclair" in 1875.
It has been established by legitimate professional historians that Henry Sinclair was never a prince or referred to as a prince during his lifetime, nor was he a Templar or known associate of Templars, nor was he a Freemason.
When there exists NO outside collaborating evidence to serve as supporting proof, as with Muir's "discovered" Sinclair Journals, then it is considered as, legend, lore, or a tall tale, NOT as recorded actual history, and until outside collaboration can be cross referenced and verified by the professional community, Muir's Sinclair Journals will be considered as legend, lore, and tall tales and NOT real history.

 

[franklin]

Same ole crap.

 

[DaveVanP]

The Knights Templar traveled all of the World and all over this country in like manner. If the drilled hole cast a shadow of 45 inches in height not in length, then you would stay on 45 degrees latitude. If the reading should be say 43.75 inches then you would have to go North and then follow 43 degrees and 45 minutes. But if the shadow measured more than 45 inches then you would have to go South for that reading. Say 47.25 inches, you would go South to 47 Degrees and 15 minutes. I hope I explained this because this is how they traveled looking for markers or drilled holes as they were really.

Would they have been using the Roman Inch, English Inch, the Scottish Inch or the French Inch (pouce)? All were in use, and "standard" measurements in the 11th to 19th centuries...depending on location.

They all varied from each other by about 10%...and NONE were equal to the inch we use today, standardized in 1912 at 25.4mm.

 

[ECS]

Same ole crap.

So why do you keep posting it, Franklin?
Fiction from fiction is still fiction.

 

[franklin]

Here is a ring identical to the ring found on Oak Island by Gary Drayton. It was posted by Donna Depew. She said her mother gave it to her over 40 years ago. The inside inscription says DC X MASS 1893. So how could the ring found on Oak Island be made before 1730.View attachment 1817398View attachment 1817400

Here is another identical ring posted today found by Scott Hetzer.

 

[franklin]

So why do you keep posting it, Franklin?
Fiction from fiction is still fiction.

And crap from more crap is still your crap sayings over and over.

 

[ECS]

And crap from more crap is still your crap sayings over and over.

It seems that real documented history from contemporary Medieval sources like that of Bishop Thomas of Orkney and the SINCLAIR DIPLOMA genealogy by Earl Henry Sinclair's grandson that places Earl Henry in Scotland in 1398 and NOT on Oak Island upsets you because it casts serious doubts in the veracity of Muir's "found" Sinclair Journals.
It is noted that you disparage and discredit my facts while desperately defending Muir's fiction, but not disproving the actually documented historical facts presented.

 

[gazzahk]

Here is another identical ring posted today found by Scott Hetzer.View attachment 1818126

The EXPERT they had was just looking at a photo and was drawing all types of in depth conclusions...

Where do they find these people? I suppose some people will say anything to get on the TV and make a buck.

They have old chunks of iron scientific tested but "alleged" ancient jewelry they just make guesses.

Lost kids ring becomes ancient hand carved Spanish ring...

Thanks for the pics frankilin...

 

[franklin]

Your facts are just as bogus as mine might be because no one has exact documents from over 600 years ago. Since you claim your information is fact----------post the damn document here and now.

 

[ECS]

Your facts are just as bogus as mine might be because no one has exact documents from over 600 years ago...

Documents from over 600 years that still exist include the MAGNA CARTA, CANTERBURY TALES, CODEX REGIUS, ELDER EDDA, and the VATICAN ARCHIVES contain "exact documents" including the trials of the Templars and Galileo and thousands of documents much older that 600 years.
Unlike Muir's copies of copies made by unknowns of journals that "may or may not be correct" or actually written in the 14th century by Earl Henry Sinclair, THE DIPLOMA OF THOMAS, BISHOP OF ORKNEY AND ZETLAND ant the SINCLAIR DIPLOMA genealogy still exist as exact documents written by the authors hand in Middle English and can be located with basic research.
Modern English versions can be found online.

 

[franklin]

Documents from over 600 years that still exist include the MAGNA CARTA, CANTERBURY TALES, CODEX REGIUS, ELDER EDDA, and the VATICAN ARCHIVES contain "exact documents" including the trials of the Templars and Galileo and thousands of documents much older that 600 years.
Unlike Muir's copies of copies made by unknowns of journals that "may or may not be correct" or actually written in the 14th century by Earl Henry Sinclair, THE DIPLOMA OF THOMAS, BISHOP OF ORKNEY AND ZETLAND ant the SINCLAIR DIPLOMA genealogy still exist as exact documents written by the authors hand in Middle English and can be located with basic research.
Modern English versions can be found online.

In other words you are going by heresay and not something you have in hand. Thought so. You find others writings and consider them genuine without research. But they are fact and a Journal written by someone is made up stories. I can see where you are coming from now. You have nothing to refute but you can claim others as being made up. Quite a show really. Enjoy yourself.

 

[ECS]

Franklin, as usual, that entirely makes no sense whatsoever.
Are you implying that Bishop Thomas and the Sinclair Diploma Medieval contemporary documents are made up or fake ?
That is really humorous considering that you have never presented any real evidence to back up your parroting retelling of Muir's fiction that totally lacks any provenance or verification.
What is hearsay are the unseen copies of copies made by persons unknown of a journal alleged to have been written by Earl Henry Sinclair that Muir claims to have "found" in Greenville, Tennessee basement.
The handwritten Sinclair Diploma and that of Bishop Thomas do exist and are "genuine", and have provenance and verification, and can be easily researched if you are interested in reading real historical documents.

ADDENDUM
In 1892 Thomas Sinclair, citing Richard Henry Major's 1875 flawed translation of the Zeno narrative, petitioned the British government to state that Earl Henry Sinclair discovered America before Columbus. They didn't.
Thomas Sinclair then attended the 1892 extended Sinclair Family reunion in Chicago, held during Chicago's World Columbian Exposition, where he gave a rather biased and somewhat racist speech detailing Earl Henry Sinclair's "discovery" of America according to Major's Zeno translation of which he sold copies and the superiority of the Nordic people to those from the Latin countries of Italy and Spain.
A few American Sinclair families attempted to petition the US Congress into adopting that Earl Henry Sinclair "discovered America", not Columbus, bit as in Brittan, to no avail.
During this Sinclair family flourishing fervor of the 1890's, it is quite possible Muir's copies of copies were made during this period, as well as the creative embellishment of the Zeno into THE LOST TEMPLAR JOURNALS OF PRINCE HENRY SINCLAIR by one of the Sinclair family reunion attendees.

"Honestly, folks, isn't it time we all grow up and drop this Zeno nonsense about 'prince' Henry once and for all" - Jack Sinclair, Scottish direct descendant of Earl Henry Sinclair