Season 4

Do.."Loose Lips Sink Ships" or was it really..."Freemasons"?

Thread: “Oak Island” the “Strange”, the “Bizarre”, and “Maybe” the "Truth”! Post #188


More and More pieces of ships' parts are turning up on Oak Island!

My theory stated that the ships used were scuttled and all metal pieces ie: Canons, Anchors, bolts etc were placed at the bottom of the Money Pit's Shaft...Is it any wonder why they cannot drill past this obstacle?

I am predicting to await some metal piece coming forth with the markings of...HMS Sterling Castle.



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The quantity of ships needed by the Freemasons to transport the plunder from the sacking of Havana's Morro Castle was immense.


The ships used and the treasure transported had to be accountable to the crown.

With all Admirals on "board" (Shirley, Keppel, Anson, Pollock) the lie presented, that most of these ships were lost not in battle but in an unexpected storm was accepted by the War Commission.

Britian had seized 20% of the ships of the line of the Spanish Navy, namely Aquilón (74), Conquistador (74), Reina (70), San Antonio (64), Tigre (70), San Jenaro (60), África (70), América (60), Infante (74) and Soberano (74), together with 3 frigates, 9 smaller vessels including the Marte (18) commanded by Domingo de Bonechea and some armed vessels belonging to trading companies (Compañía de La Habana and Compañía de Caracas). Furthermore, two new almost-completed ships of the line were seized in the dockyards - San Carlos (80) and Santiago (60 or 80).

Spanish ships that may have been used and declared lost:

América (Nuestra Señora de Belen) 64 (1736) - Captured by Britain 1762, released?
San Genaro 60 (1761) - Captured by Britain 1762, same name, lost 1763
San Carlos 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762
Santiago 80 (-) - Destroyed on stocks at Havana, 1762
Numerous unnamed Privateer ships declared lost

British ships that may have been used and declared lost:

Stirling Castle was declared unserviceable and was stripped and scuttled in the upper reaches of Havana harbor on 14 September 1762, on the orders of Admiral George Pocock.[3]

HMS Temple was a 68-gun third rate ship of the line of the Royal Navy Commissioned under the command of Washington Shirley she foundered at sea and was lost

HMS Marlborough 68-gun ship Whilst making her way back to Britain after participating in the reduction of Havana in 1762, Marlborough was caught in very heavy weather. On 29 November her crew were forced
to abandon the ship, which was sinking. All of Marlborough's crew were taken off by HMS Antelope. On her way home to England Antelope encountered Marlborough, under Captain Thomas Burnett, which had sailed from
Havana as part of the escort of a convoy of prizes and transports, but had become separated in very heavy weather. She was leaking so badly that her guns had to be thrown overboard and the pumps kept working.
Antelope took all her people off on 29 November when she started to founder and she was allowed to sink.


 

So I guess the Gold cross would of looked something more like this originally

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A gold cross of fine workmanship inset with 65 Colombian emeralds. Recovered from the wreck of Nuestra Señora de las Maravillas -1656
 

So what we're left with is the very thin thread that she's not credible because the History channel wouldn't pay her to say they weren't significant. I don't think she needs the money that bad.

Nice to meet you as well.

She's not sticking out her neck or risking her career. She is a Dr. of Art History. No one asked her anything art related on the show. And, by her website, the History Channel employs her services repeatedly and I am sure they will continue to. And probably not many of her "peers" watched the show, anyway. Haven't heard where she stood with them before it aired. ;-)

Friends of ours have two daughters who majored in art history. One has a masters, one a doctorate. Pleasant enough women but they wouldn't know much archaeology, anthropology or British field gear of the 18th century. But they could design you a nice living room, or tell you who painted which and in what style.
 

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Hello, it's nice to meet you.

Speaking of professional reputation, it's not as if the History channel is the only place she's worked for. Again on the same page you linked to, she lists experience in several museums.

Let's try some google searches.

First search "Art Gallery"

Then search "Museum"

Then search for "Archaeological Degree"

And you might see the difference.....

As far as the "Lets Try Some Google Searches"........ it sounds like you are quite founded in the educational background of a completely random person.

Almost as if you work for her.....or the channel perpetrating this front....
 

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Meanwhile I seriously doubt that the production teams on all of those publications would fail to properly vet her. This isn't some "Ancient Aliens" expert who has been debunked a hundred times over.

Like this guy?

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What new faces......

great to meet you
 

So I guess the Gold cross would of looked something more like this originally

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A gold cross of fine workmanship inset with 65 Colombian emeralds. Recovered from the wreck of Nuestra Señora de las Maravillas -1656

Nice example of hammered gold. You do realize that it is a completely different style and is authentic?

Not at all like the arc welded, round stock, thin gauge, 14k, supposed money pit cross
 

Nice example of hammered gold. You do realize that it is a completely different style and is authentic?

Not at all like the arc welded, round stock, thin gauge, 14k, supposed money pit cross
ha ha....I found this one in a pit on a different island near Hong Kong... I think the Knights Templar were here also....
 

Nice to meet you as well.

She's not sticking out her neck or risking her career. She is a Dr. of Art History. No one asked her anything art related on the show. And, by her website, the History Channel employs her services repeatedly and I am sure they will continue to. And probably not many of her "peers" watched the show, anyway. Haven't heard where she stood with them before it aired. ;-)

Friends of ours have two daughters who majored in art history. One has a masters, one a doctorate. Pleasant enough women but they wouldn't know much archaeology, anthropology or British field gear of the 18th century. But they could design you a nice living room, or tell you who painted which and in what style.
Please Charlie.. This is silly if you are not going to accept their experts testimony then what will you accept.

The point is really that even if the cross is that old, or the spike is Spanish it does not prove a) the cross came from the pit and b) that there is a Spanish ship buried in the swamp.

But really lets at least accept until otherwise shown the experts opinion is valid...
 

So if I tune in next week, will I find out about the "human remains" they found in the slurry when they air lifted 10x?
 

Please Charlie.. This is silly if you are not going to accept their experts testimony then what will you accept.

The point is really that even if the cross is that old, or the spike is Spanish it does not prove a) the cross came from the pit and b) that there is a Spanish ship buried in the swamp.

But really lets at least accept until otherwise shown the experts opinion is valid...

What will I accept? Proof. Or . . .

#1: Treasure
#2: Independent review by accredited archaeologist
#3: Proper site study (grid, measurements, remove 1/4" of soil at a time, sift and screen for artifacts.

But #3 would be tough because the island has been tossed and excavated a dozen times over. It's so contaminated we'll likely never gain any historical knowledge . . .

So that only leaves #1. Show me the money or something of value.
 

What will I accept? Proof. Or . . .

#1: Treasure
#2: Independent review by accredited archaeologist
#3: Proper site study (grid, measurements, remove 1/4" of soil at a time, sift and screen for artifacts.

But #3 would be tough because the island has been tossed and excavated a dozen times over. It's so contaminated we'll likely never gain any historical knowledge . . .

So that only leaves #1. Show me the money or something of value.

Even if they did find a treasure you would probably never know the full extent of it. You probably wouldn't believe it anyway!
 

#3: Proper site study (grid, measurements, remove 1/4" of soil at a time, sift and screen for artifacts.

But #3 would be tough because the island has been tossed and excavated a dozen times over. It's so contaminated we'll likely never gain any historical knowledge . . .

that is soooo true. The "brute force"methods used there in the early/mid 20th cenntury have seriously diminished the possibility of a significant and verifiable discovery.

I do enjoy the presentations being given on the show - about the techniques available in this modern era.
 

Like I said yesterday, anything found at this point some of these folks would say it was planted regardless..
 

On the gold cross. If no one has brought it up yet.
The lady said. This is between 22-24kt rose gold.
That is impossible.
As 22-24kt is pure gold.
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I knew the cross was a gimmick from the start. This just goes to show they will try to sell us anything

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that is soooo true. The "brute force"methods used there in the early/mid 20th cenntury have seriously diminished the possibility of a significant and verifiable discovery.

I do enjoy the presentations being given on the show - about the techniques available in this modern era.

Well they aren't much more advanced than they were back then

He said that it makes no sense in english......and the Brute Force attacks resulted in one line possibly saying "TAKE NINE ENEMA"

I froze the page there and was amazed they allowed that embarrassment to come on line......

Charles Barkhouse was holding the translation then....I could almost see his face saying "But I already had three today"

Afterward they ran off on another tangent claiming that it was in French......claiming to have derived real phrases.......using the FForty Feet Below methods......from the 90' stone.....

I'm still beside myself saying "No Kidding.....the Pirate La Buse's Cipher, now found on Oak Island, with the signature of Oliver LeVasseur at the bottom, is now deciphered using the 90' stone method"

And they had first proposed a hand drawn map was the key, with the "New Cipher" hidden behind a picture frame.....and now THAT is the answer.......

It was the Pirate La Buse the whole time on Oak Island......LOL

This gets better and better......

Scott Wolters was just in Madagascar trying to doop the Govt there into believing a Lead Bar used to set scales was a Pirate treasure from La Buse as well...

The global mystery continues....
 

Well they aren't much more advanced than they were back then

He said that it makes no sense in english......and the Brute Force attacks resulted in one line possibly saying "TAKE NINE ENEMA"

I froze the page there and was amazed they allowed that embarrassment to come on line......

Charles Barkhouse was holding the translation then....I could almost see his face saying "But I already had three today"

Afterward they ran off on another tangent claiming that it was in French......claiming to have derived real phrases.......using the FForty Feet Below methods......from the 90' stone.....

I'm still beside myself saying "No Kidding.....the Pirate La Buse's Cipher, now found on Oak Island, with the signature of Oliver LeVasseur at the bottom, is now deciphered using the 90' stone method"

And they had first proposed a hand drawn map was the key, with the "New Cipher" hidden behind a picture frame.....and now THAT is the answer.......

It was the Pirate La Buse the whole time on Oak Island......LOL

This gets better and better......

Scott Wolters was just in Madagascar trying to doop the Govt there into believing a Lead Bar used to set scales was a Pirate treasure from La Buse as well...

The global mystery continues....
Just to touch on that. I did a bit of poking around on la buse code a while back. I had found atleast 5 different versions. To which i thought maybe none of them are the true one. So to compare it to the la buse cipher. I think isnt the best way to go about it since there is no way to be sure that its the real correct la buse one

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I am in reference to his fricking signature at the bottom......

Did you happen to miss that..... Le vaSeur......but the S is clearly shown to be a 2

Clear as Day Right at the Bottom

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So again Marticus I am not proposing anything.....I am showing their proposal as a joke.

Here's how The Cipher actually begins.....LOL....its backwards.....

Not how they proposed is it.....?

Now look at the accepted version of the cipher.....

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Do you see the layout yet?

I left you a couple of clues as to the REAL LeVasseur method of encryption, as it was a standard Pig Pen Cipher that was reversed.....notice that there is also a confusion of the symbols used to show hints with the number 2....

They also show a different cipher when made backwards.....one that involves a shift as one of the symbols of the cipher that repeats in out of place locations is the < symbol......reversed it shows the Caesar Shift used multiple times to create the messages.....

Two face value messages can be derived and one will show the right location.......The art of Cryptography.....

But you dont see that on the show.....

What Do You See?

You see directions to TAKE NINE ENEMA.....and under their proposed methods, combine that using Daniel Rondstamm's decipherment about the "Corn In The Hole" at 40 ft, and then add La Buse to the mix.....and you have found the sewer of the media in a "Bottomless Pit" of lies.....

Do you think they really have a chance at fooling us?
 

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I am in reference to his fricking signature at the bottom......

Did you happen to miss that..... Le vaSeur......

Clear as Day Right at the Bottom

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So again Marticus I am not proposing anything.....I am showing their proposal as a joke.
No sorry i didnt catch that. Wasnt aiming anything at you eldo. Just thought id add some of my 2c to that argument lol not shots taken 😊

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