Salted points

[sawmill man]

This is the one i posted about on another guys thread ,It was found at Mammoth cave not Cumberland gap. Notice the thick body, and this is what i do with India,,n artifacts. They meet Clint Estwing.

 

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[Kray Gelder]

Hah! I like your justice. I wouldn't know that was a planted fake, so thanks for protecting us dupes.

 

[Jon Stewart]

Interesting. A friend was all excited to show me a knife he got as a gift "knapped" by the giver. Didn't have the heart to tell him that indian that knapped that was from India. The blade look just like the first picture you posted.

 

[PullTabSlayer]

I have several points I have been given over the years that came with stories of where they were found and Im 99% sure they are fake so they sit in a can in the closet.
A few years ago I was at a trappers event, during this event there was an area where guys were knapping points, I watched them for a while and over heard one guy say he takes the points he knaps and isn't happy with and throws them in local creeks.

 

[NCPeaches]

I have several points I have been given over the years that came with stories of where they were found and Im 99% sure they are fake so they sit in a can in the closet.
A few years ago I was at a trappers event, during this event there was an area where guys were knapping points, I watched them for a while and over heard one guy say he takes the points he knaps and isn't happy with and throws them in local creeks.

OMG!!! Now that's a sick individual, what is wrong with people?!?

 

[smokeythecat]

No one gives me any points. It first struck me like who would purchase something like that then put if for someone to find, then I remembered the fake Spanish coins at Coin Beach, Delaware. You must have a site that is well known for someone to do that.

I'm also with Kray, I probably wouldn't have known it was not old.

 

[sandchip]

...and over heard one guy say he takes the points he knaps and isn't happy with and throws them in local creeks.

What a complete d_ck. Please forgive me for my language, Peaches.

 

[smokeythecat]

Yeah, anyone who puts out fakes is a jerk.

 

[uniface]

You must have a site that is well known for someone to do that.

Not always. People have done it to draw attention away from sites they like/that are more productive.

 

[Jon Stewart]

At what age does a point become an artifact and who determines that age?

 

[Older The Better]

At what age does a point become an artifact and who determines that age?

In this case age may not be the question but to what purpose was it made.

 

[smokeythecat]

Generally speaking, for instance this blade which LOOKS like an archaic artifact, but was recently made, is a fake. Something recently made to look like something very old is a reproduction, or fake, whichever term you like. "Artifact" would be an item from a time period now over. Could be a few years old (Vietnam jacket) to ancient (paleo clovis blade).

 

[MAMucker]

At what age does a point become an artifact and who determines that age?

Provocative Question Jon Stewart, and I’m assuming rhetorical.

Because of the depth of experience and knowledge present here, We All can assist and learn in the evaluation process. We are not blindly guessing.

This forum category is dedicated to North American (Indian) NATIVE AMERICAN ARTIFACTS. Projectile Points can be Period Dated and Identified with exceptional accuracy by many members here.

If the item posted is not NATIVE AMERICAN (imported, modern repro, incorrect material or mistakenly/incorrectly identified), that item can be identified as such as well.

 

[sawmill man]

Im diffinatly not knocking knappers ,i think its great , just saying watch what you pick up in well traveled places , someones needing a good laugh . acully i would like to have a few moderen knapped points from some good knappers myself . but the gift shop ones are just not my thing. but these guys trying to pull one on new hunteres is just wrong.

 

[dirstscratcher]

[They meet Clint Estwing.[/QUOTE]

Ha Ha! Be sure you disperse the fragments widely. This is a photo of part of a cache of more than 200 fragments and a few complete artifacts I found back around 1998-2000 excavating a wetlands pond here on the farm. There were a number of lancelot forms as well as scrapers that were "killed". The larger pieces in the right of the photo are refitted from 2 or 3 fragments. I was not able to refit a complete Lancelot. The pieces were too small and I clipped the top of the cache off with an earth pan be fore I saw fragments and excavated the rest.This was actually the second cache within about 7 meters of a cache of knapping debitage. I was able to refit enough of that cache to determine they were making bi-facial disks. The debris had many Paleo characteristics. I lovingly call them Trash Cache I & II.



I'd hate to think of some future archaeologist finding your debris and thinking they'd found something special

 

[dirstscratcher]

P.S. I like your forum name, sawmill man. I spent the day working on refurbishing my Belsaw M14 circular mill.

 

[smokeythecat]

I went to the flint knappers thing at the Flint Ridge Museum in Ohio last Labor Day. It was one of those things where there was so much to see I was overwhelmed. I was shocked at the newly made stuff! Very pretty to be sure, but expensive! (Then I went to the place you can dig and got some real materials.)

 

[Six S]

Where I used to live the word was out not to hunt in a certain township due to the fact that most of the points were fakes. The story was that a lady that used to live on a farm there was a knapper and would drive up and down the prairie trails throwing her points out the car window before her out of state grandkids visited each summer so they would find some “artifacts” to take home. In retrospect I wonder if the salting was true or just a way to steer people away from a real good area.

 

[ToddsPoint]

I drive miles and miles to get a bucket of flint. Then I work my butt off processing it, heat treating it, and making bifaces. Then I work hours finishing some points. I'll be darned if I would toss one of my points out in a field for someone else to find. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. Gary

 

[MosesOfTheSouth]

on the old dead forum there was a sphincter that posted with pictures of him seeding areas with actual real NA brokes and debitage he had found to throw other people off of his "honey holes". i've read on multiple other sites of people bragging about seeding knapped items. having a solid knowledge of the desirable regional materials that were sought after by NA's and the patina each type exhibits with real age is key these days.