Rock with arrows and an "x" on it?????

[2goldennuggets]

Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

A long time friend of the family is the owner of this rock. I have known about this rock for 20 years but lost touch with this owner/friend up until recently. I asked the friend if she still had that O'l rock and when she said she did I then begged the her for a couple of pics.

I tried to get all the information about this rock that I could but the owner could't recall much about the rock. She said the rock was given to her by a friend but the owner said that she has lost touch with her old friend over the years. All she could tell me was the rock was "possibly" from south central to south eastern Oklahoma but was not for sure. I told her I would post this on the web on a few sites to see if anyone could help. I've instructed the owner to try and locate this old friend to get more info on this rock.

My memory card on the camera was full and all I got was these two pics. It is a little hard to see from my pic but the arrows and the X are raised about 1/8".

Anyone with any Ideas, theories, or info please post or PM me.

Thanks,
2goldennuggets
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[DCMatt]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Boundary stone or trail marker?

How big is it?

DCMatt

 

[savant365]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I am probably way off base here but it looks like a cattle brand.

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Boundary stone or trail marker?

How big is it?

DCMatt

About 10" between opposing arrows.

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I am probably way off base here but it looks like a cattle brand.

I'll look into this,
Thanks

 

[DCMatt]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I am probably way off base here but it looks like a cattle brand.

Frankly, I had a similar thought. Maybe it represents a particular ranch or cattle trail? I'm just guessing, of course...

DCMatt

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

looks like the trail markers we used in CO. at the last camp

 

[Montana Jim]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I think it's a little too much for a brand... historic brands are very researchable.

Interesting piece, it may have meant some in situ.

looks like the trail markers we used in CO. at the last camp

just left on the ground?

 

[ole_grisley]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I wold guess it would be a trail marker that tells one to go around something like swamp or who know what not poison as it would have the skull or cross bones but warning to go around something

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

It is a little hard to see from my pic but the arrows and the X are raised about 1/8".

Anyone with any Ideas, theories, or info please post or PM me.

Thanks,
2goldennuggets
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/arrowheadscout/055.jpg
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/arrowheadscout/056.jpg

I was going to ask you if it was raised. It would take a lot of work to cut away the surrounding areas. Dont you think its a bit unusual to carve or chisel away the background when it is easier just to carve out the symbols? It looks sandblasted to me.

The only time I can remember making raised markings like this is when I worked for a sign company. We would glue a rubber sheet on the flat surface and cut out the design and sandblast away the rest of it. But you need a flat surface and we would usually use wood or metal. Im sure you could sandblast a soft rock. That is the only way I know to make a raised sign without using a mold.. We also poured concrete for raised designs. Could this rock be poured concrete?


Like Jim mentioned, it may have meant something in situ, but unfortunately it may not mean much now removed, unless you can find the exact location.

 

[Tnmountains]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

Lot of effort went into that rock with the raised markings. Might have been a keepsake or something like a doorstop on a ranch with the brand. I do not know and doubt you ever will unless its a brand like suggested above. Very cool rock.
TnMountains

 

[Montana Jim]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I'm looking into brands... Oklahoma, we'll see.

 

[texan connection]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

well central oklahoma was the chisolm trail Probaly some kind of trail marker

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

This looks modern,
I believe I have seen things like this made for the tourists in Arizona.
They are made by placing a rubber coated piece of shaped metal on top of a flat stone,
Then using a sand blaster wash away the surface of the stone and leave the raised "sign".
About $15 at the trading post, they also have a two headed snake.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

This looks modern,
I believe I have seen things like this made for the tourists in Arizona.
They are made by placing a rubber coated piece of shaped metal on top of a flat stone,
Then using a sand blaster wash away the surface of the stone and leave the raised "sign".
About $15 at the trading post, they also have a two headed snake.

That helps explain why I thought it looked sandblasted.

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I have studied signs for a while,
Fakes get easier to see all the time.

Use it as a door stop or a garden ornament
Enjoy your find.
Weather will make it disintagrate so keep it out of the rain and cold.
A good conversation piece for beside the fireplace.

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

I wold guess it would be a trail marker that tells one to go around something like swamp or who know what not poison as it would have the skull or cross bones but warning to go around something

I like the way you think!

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

It is a little hard to see from my pic but the arrows and the X are raised about 1/8".

Anyone with any Ideas, theories, or info please post or PM me.

Thanks,
2goldennuggets
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/arrowheadscout/055.jpg
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/arrowheadscout/056.jpg

I was going to ask you if it was raised. It would take a lot of work to cut away the surrounding areas. Dont you think its a bit unusual to carve or chisel away the background when it is easier just to carve out the symbols? It looks sandblasted to me.

The only time I can remember making raised markings like this is when I worked for a sign company. We would glue a rubber sheet on the flat surface and cut out the design and sandblast away the rest of it. But you need a flat surface and we would usually use wood or metal. Im sure you could sandblast a soft rock. That is the only way I know to make a raised sign without using a mold.. We also poured concrete for raised designs. Could this rock be poured concrete?


Like Jim mentioned, it may have meant something in situ, but unfortunately it may not mean much now removed, unless you can find the exact location.

It's not concrete, it appears that it is sandstone. There is alot of sandstone and limestone in Oklahoma.

 

[2goldennuggets]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

This looks modern,
I believe I have seen things like this made for the tourists in Arizona.
They are made by placing a rubber coated piece of shaped metal on top of a flat stone,
Then using a sand blaster wash away the surface of the stone and leave the raised "sign".
About $15 at the trading post, they also have a two headed snake.

Thanks for the info. Do you have any Idea how long ago these were said to be done? Or have any replicas or pics of such?

 

[Old Dog]

Re: Rock with arrows and an "x" on it??

2goldennuggets,

Here is a thread that will give you an idea of what to look for where signs are concerned.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,149002.0.html