return to the "bayonnet" in question

[burglarifyoulike]

return to the "bayonnet" in question

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,207694.0.html this hasn't been seen on this forum since Dec. 28, 08, but thought i'd share an interesting bit of info on this thing, whatever it may be, and i may never know , but it was examined bu Jeffrey Wert, author and CW expert. he said that he is sure it is a war weapon of some kind, though too small to be a bayonnet. he believes that it is a "war pick", used somewhat like a dagger. as i said, i may never know for sure, but i trust this man's opinion. (he is the acquaintance of a relative of my husband). as always, thanks for looking!

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Diving for Pleasure and Treasure - Grab it through Amazon!

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

IT looks like the top of a lightning arrestor antenna to me.

I didnt read the whole post yet but I recognized it right away because we have had those 3-sided antenna rods posted here before.

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

IT looks like the top of a lightning arrestor antenna to me.

i know; that's what many replies to my first post said, and i believed it, but i've been all excited since Mr. Wert gave his opinion on it_ i con't kno

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Here is one almost exactly like yours. Is yours brass as well? I never heard of a brass bayonet in the 19th century.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,228126.0.html You have some nice finds and nice story. What is that an old gravestone? Interesting post, I missed it first time.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Doesn't look like a bayonet or a hand-held stabber. You don't push a three-edge weapon by hand without a substantial finger guard to keep your fingers from riding up onto the blade. The more edges the harder it is to achieve penetration (ask a bowhunter). Also, plug bayonets weren't ever very popular in this country as it makes the weapon unfireable and is really only useful in a line charge or a massed defense. They didn't go much beyond the matchlock age (early colonies) If it was from the Civil War you found it where someone threw it in disgust first chance he got.

Plug bayonets are also usually "multi-functioned" and are knife edged - why carry one of each?

Brass or bronze would be too brittle and hard to keep sharp enough.

Does your Mr. Wert have documentation to back-up his claim?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...s&index=books-uk&field-author=Jeffrey D. Wert

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...s&index=books-uk&field-author=Jeffrey D. Wert

yes, jeffrey d wert, _BROTHERHOOD OF VALOR, _GETTYSBURG, DAY THREE. my husband's cousin showed the item in question to him. i did not speak to him personally, but got the message via the cousin. he thinks it to be pre-CW. the area wherein it was found also had the two eagle-head pommels, three harmonica reeds so far, clay marbels in the plugs, many bottle shards, saddle buckles, bone, handled utensil. i am not claiming that it is a war piece, but presenting it as an interesting opinion. (yes, it would be really cool, although gruesome if it were a war item, but i am certainly willing to accept if it is not).

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Here is one almost exactly like yours. Is yours brass as well? I never heard of a brass bayonet in the 19th century.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,228126.0.html You have some nice finds and nice story. What is that an old gravestone? Interesting post, I missed it first time.

i certainly do agree with you that it looks like a lightning rod end, if that is what the picture is- and that may indeed be what it is, just thaought i'd bring it back up after the new opinion. i do really appreciate everyone's input.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Is yours brass?

Hare are a few more to look at.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,22537.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,180864.0.html

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Here is one almost exactly like yours. Is yours brass as well? I never heard of a brass bayonet in the 19th century.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,228126.0.html You have some nice finds and nice story. What is that an old gravestone? Interesting post, I missed it first time.

thanks, cypress. the site where this particular item was found i originally started hunting after hearing that my relatives' daughter-in-law found a 20 dollar gold piece (yeah, for real) while diggin up her flower bed. i have searched that area and found a 1902 barber dime, a 1920 merc and a wathc fob. but abouth 20 yards away and on past that, there seem to be relics of another era (the house, which no longer stands, was built, people in the area believe mid to late 1800s). the grave belongs to the father . but where i've found these other relics seems to be (some above mentioned pluse a brooch i forgot to mention were in a field to the side of it. my dad says we should try to look up the deed to see if that would give any clues, which i heartily agree with. thanks for all the help with this, i will try to post better pics with a ruler and different angles as soon as i can get my hands on my daughter's camera, since it is with her at all times. thanks again- burglar

 

[WinchesterDigger]

The old Lightning Rod strikes again!

I found one a few years back and it was ID'd as a Flagpole Tip and it was listed as such in Warman's Book and ID'd that way by a few CW relic gurus. It was a lightning rod tip. Even the best miss a few once in awhile. I found this on Ebay today, someone may have posted it already.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kretzer-Lightni...ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting



Mike

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

thanks, cypress. the site where this particular item was found i originally started hunting after hearing that my relatives' daughter-in-law found a 20 dollar gold piece (yeah, for real) while diggin up her flower bed. i have searched that area and found a 1902 barber dime, a 1920 merc and a wathc fob. but abouth 20 yards away and on past that, there seem to be relics of another era (the house, which no longer stands, was built, people in the area believe mid to late 1800s). the grave belongs to the father . but where i've found these other relics seems to be (some above mentioned pluse a brooch i forgot to mention were in a field to the side of it. my dad says we should try to look up the deed to see if that would give any clues, which i heartily agree with. thanks for all the help with this, i will try to post better pics with a ruler and different angles as soon as i can get my hands on my daughter's camera, since it is with her at all times. thanks again- burglar

It may be as old as mid-1800's, but its not a weapon.

Another good pic, Winchester.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Nice ID, BigCy.



Solved.

 

[Monty]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

In spite of how much you or any of us wish it was a Civil War weapon, alas it is not. Too much proof to the contrary. Thanks for bringing it back though. Monty

 

[ole_grisley]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

When I was a kid my grandfather had a bayonet from the civil war and his was 3 sided and looked just like what you have there but yours is missing the mount that slid over the barrel of the rifle. the mount was about 3-4 inches long and it slid over the barrel and was mounted to the end of the bayonet , they did have a problen of working loose and coming apart. we had pics from the civil war and they showed the confederate soldiers with that type bayonet ( wish I still had then but my grandparents just tossed them when they moved)the mount had about a 1 inch offset to it so it could be mounted and still shoot the rifle if needed.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

When I was a kid my grandfather had a bayonet from the civil war and his was 3 sided and looked just like what you have there but yours is missing the mount that slid over the barrel of the rifle. the mount was about 3-4 inches long and it slid over the barrel and was mounted to the end of the bayonet , they did have a problen of working loose and coming apart. we had pics from the civil war and they showed the confederate soldiers with that type bayonet ( wish I still had then but my grandparents just tossed them when they moved)the mount had about a 1 inch offset to it so it could be mounted and still shoot the rifle if needed.

Just when I thought we had the green check...

I think we will need to see that pic. Do you remember if they were brass?

If you have any doubts burglarifyoulike, clean out the end and look for threads.

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

When I was a kid my grandfather had a bayonet from the civil war and his was 3 sided and looked just like what you have there but yours is missing the mount that slid over the barrel of the rifle. the mount was about 3-4 inches long and it slid over the barrel and was mounted to the end of the bayonet , they did have a problen of working loose and coming apart. we had pics from the civil war and they showed the confederate soldiers with that type bayonet ( wish I still had then but my grandparents just tossed them when they moved)the mount had about a 1 inch offset to it so it could be mounted and still shoot the rifle if needed.

Just when I thought we had the green check...

I think we will need to see that pic. Do you remember if they were brass?

If you have any doubts burglarifyoulike, clean out the end and look for threads.

thanks, all for your gracious comments and help. sorry this one's been out so long- i got terribly sick lat week and was down for almost a week. finally got my camera straightened out yesterday and took a few more pictures. the end has a rust-corooded center- any ideas on how to clean it out? the presence of threads would mean more likely a war pick or a weathervane?

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

newer and better pics- will get one now of the end and post.

 

[burglarifyoulike]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

pic of the end-

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: return to the "bayonnet" in question

Threads would mean weathervane and I still say its a weathervane. It looks like you may have a broken piece of iron inside.

Any questions as to this being a CW brass bayonet will have to be directed to Ol Grisley. I would have to see a pic from Ol Grisley to even consider changing my mind.