Really neat Pin I need help identifying...please help on this one

[Get-the-point]

I purchased an Indian Artifact collection and found something that I need all of your help with. There was this Brass and Lead it looks like a pin or button not sure. It does have a interesting design on it and is what makes me believe it is old. It has a old style pitchfork and rake. So I ask all you Civil and Revolutionary Button experts your opinion on this and any help with Identification and value would greatly be appreciated. It seems to be in great condition although it has a dent in it. Well here it is.........................Thanks GTP

 

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[72cheyenne]

Cool rosette

Would guess late 1800's based EdistoDigger's NJ State fair find.

Design similar (plough left/rake right).

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,245048.0.html

Very similar.

 

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[bigjohn835]

Dude, good eye ironspike!

 

[509thzouave]

The insignia engraved on this harness boss is that of the Patrons of Husbandry / Grange, certainly appropos for a piece of horse furniture. I would date it to the 1890s.

 

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I agree with the ID of Bridle Rosette for this find.


And it is not Gold--it is non-dug brass.



Cheers,




Buckles

I never read anything about this item being "dug", in fact it was bought. Does that take away from its' significance? This person needed help identifying an item that they purchased/acquired. They weren't asking if it had been dug out of the ground. Why always the arrogance?

John

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think what Buckles means is that shiny non dug brass will often appear to be gold. It is not gold. It is non-dug brass. No patina.

New shiny brass often looks like gold but this is NOT gold. He was telling Brady in a nice way that he is mistaken. Brady thought it was gold.

agree,
great piece of folk art carved in to a pocket watch cover - gold
Brady

 

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I agree with the ID of Bridle Rosette for this find.


And it is not Gold--it is non-dug brass.



Cheers,




Buckles

I never read anything about this item being "dug", in fact it was bought. Does that take away from its' significance? This person needed help identifying an item that they purchased/acquired. They weren't asking if it had been dug out of the ground. Why always the arrogance?

John

I think what Buckles means is that shiny non dug brass will often appear to be gold. It is not gold. It is non-dug brass. No patina.

New shiny brass often looks like gold but this is NOT gold.

agree,
great piece of folk art carved in to a pocket watch cover - gold
Brady

If so, I apologize. I didn't care for the rolling eyes.

John

 

[72cheyenne]

My 1 1/2 cents......

This looks like it could be gold. If it is, isn't it a bit excessive for a bridle rosette?

Needs to be tested for gold content, if any.

I'm pretty sure Buckle's was answering the above quote.

 

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My 1 1/2 cents......

This looks like it could be gold. If it is, isn't it a bit excessive for a bridle rosette?

Needs to be tested for gold content, if any.

I'm pretty sure Buckle's was answering the above quote.

My bad.

John

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

My 1 1/2 cents......

This looks like it could be gold. If it is, isn't it a bit excessive for a bridle rosette?

Needs to be tested for gold content, if any.

I'm pretty sure Buckle's was answering the above quote.

OK he could be answering that too LOL. I knew he was responding to somebody that thought this was gold. The point is that this bridal rosette is NOT gold. It is non-dug brass! There is no nice way to say it.

Its like this brick that fools many people. Its really 100 per cent brass! A member bought it had a pawn shop and thought it was a bargain.

 

[Tnmountains]

So everyone thinks this state seal rode around on a horses bridle? Government man maybe. Pretty fancy . Looks like this type of seal was starting to be developed during the slave era and several states used pretty much the same theme as Plebah pointed out . So maybe this guy rode to plantations to tax or see how the wheat was growing. Interesting. See how Tennessee had guys rowing the boat with a little guy with a hat at the tiller in 1796 now in modern times we have sails. Yippee
Really nice item.
TnMtns

 

[Get-the-point]

You have dug up the history of this piece and I appreciate it everyone. I have had this piece tested for gold and nothing it is brass. IT came out of a Tennessee collection of Indian Artifacts so when you all narrowed it down to Tennessee it would make sense. Great Job everyone!!! I think the thought of a State Emblem may mean possible person in Gov't there or state offical riding the horse or carriage and that piece dropping off. Thanks all and any more info or exact find would be great to hear about..........GTP

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The insignia engraved on this harness boss is that of the Patrons of Husbandry / Grange, certainly appropos for a piece of horse furniture. I would date it to the 1890s.

It could also be Grange.

 

[IronSpike]

Yesterday found a similar piece at an old farm house.

 

[Trocar]

How about this GUESS?

I can't seem to get a real grasp on the size of this item but here's another guess--- It is very similar to the pendulum weight on a small windup Mantel Clock. I can see the the points on the back where something was attached maybe for a slide like on the pendulum. I've seen weights in all different sizes and shapes. Just a guess , next best guess is the Rosette thought.

 

[Scottso]

its pobably a slave owners pocket watch.

 

[Monty]

To add to the confusion, I have seen this design on Tnet before but can't rememeber when or where. Monty

 

[jimbob450]

I agree with Monty. I have also seen this on Tnet before.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

To add to the confusion, I have seen this design on Tnet before but can't rememeber when or where. Monty

I agree with Monty. I have also seen this on Tnet before.

This is an old post.

 

[IronSpike]

Pretty sure your find also is a bridle rosette. I think we need a green check

http://www.treasurenet.com/treasures/askmarkparker/200101.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Pretty sure your find also is a bridle rosette. I think we need a green check

http://www.treasurenet.com/treasures/askmarkparker/200101.htm

Ironspike again. That matches your farm find perfectly. I agree green check.