Really neat Pin I need help identifying...please help on this one

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I purchased an Indian Artifact collection and found something that I need all of your help with. There was this Brass and Lead it looks like a pin or button not sure. It does have a interesting design on it and is what makes me believe it is old. It has a old style pitchfork and rake. So I ask all you Civil and Revolutionary Button experts your opinion on this and any help with Identification and value would greatly be appreciated. It seems to be in great condition although it has a dent in it. Well here it is.........................Thanks GTP

 

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[lostcauses]

Pocket watch back converted to a pin, design is farming on the engraving.

 

[BioProfessor]

Definitely a pin. If the size is right, I agree someone filled the back with lead to make a pin from the decorative back of a watch or something similar. It's ties to any period or war may be tough as many of these were hand engraved by the owner.

Daryl

 

[bigjohn835]

great piece of folk art though

 

[Montana Jim]

Why not a rosette?

 

[bradyboy]

agree,
great piece of folk art carved in to a pocket watch cover - gold
Brady

 

[Montana Jim]

I'm not buying the watch cover or watch back thing... too crude, and only those two soldered connection points?

 

[BioProfessor]

Two is all you need for a pin back Jim.

Daryl

 

[Montana Jim]

Two is all you need for a pin back Jim.

Daryl

I would more readily agree with that Daryl.

 

[lostcauses]

The lead was added to solder the pins pivot and the catch. It also stabilized the thin plate of the item. Great design.

 

[thrillathahunt]

My 1 1/2 cents......

This looks like it could be gold. If it is, isn't it a bit excessive for a bridle rosette?

Needs to be tested for gold content, if any.

 

[CRUSADER]

Why not a rosette?

exactly...

I thought it was already IDed in the todays Its a Rosette, a horse brass, horse boss (UK) or horse furniture, or whatever else you like to call a decorative item which went on a horse. Most likely late-Victorian.

 

[traderoftreasures]

when did they start growing wheat ?

 

[Montana Jim]

when did they start growing wheat ?

History and Origin of Wheat

http://www.agron.iastate.edu/courses/agron212/Readings/Oat_wheat_history.htm

Wheat is grown on more land area worldwide than any other crop and is a close third to rice and corn in total world production. Wheat is well adapted to harsh environments and is mostly grown on wind swept areas that are too dry and too cold for the more tropically inclined rice and corn, which do best at intermediate temperature levels.

Wheat is believed to have originated in south­western Asia. Some of the earliest remains of the crop have been found in Syria, Jordan, and Turkey. Primitive relatives of present day wheat have been discovered in some of the oldest excavations of the world in eastern Iraq, which date back 9,000 years. Other archeological findings show that bread wheat was grown in the Nile Valley about 5,000 B.C. as well as in India, China, and even England at about the same time. Wheat was first grown in the United States in 1602 on an island off the Massachusetts coast. Man has depended upon the wheat plant for himself and his beasts for thousands of years. A global wheat failure would be a disaster that few nations could survive for even one year.

Although the so‑called bread wheats are common to most of us, there are many uncertainly related species that make up the genus Triticum. This likely was due to a number of natural crossings with wild species during its early evolvement. Some of the species closely related to our common wheats would be einkorn, emmer, durum, and spelt.

 

[traderoftreasures]

thanks

 

[AU24K]

Not all pocket watches had a "hinge assembly". In fact, most pocket watch backs are "screw on". A measurement of the diameter could go a long way in identifying the piece.
Scott

 

[BuckleBoy]

I agree with the ID of Bridle Rosette for this find.


And it is not Gold--it is non-dug brass.



Cheers,




Buckles

 

[CRUSADER]

I agree with the ID of Bridle Rosette for this find.


And it is not Gold--it is non-dug brass.



Cheers,




Buckles

Do doupts on that one

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Nice brass rosette.

 

[IronSpike]

Cool rosette

Would guess late 1800's based EdistoDigger's NJ State fair find.

Design similar (plough left/rake right).

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