✅ SOLVED Railroad button? & old hardware from what?

Charmin

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Found these things today near an old foundation here in Oklahoma......the foundation is near the old Midland Valley Railroad tracks.
Could the button be a uniform button from a railroad worker---it has three 5-pointed stars on it? and the old iron hardware from a stove maybe?
Here's some pictures:
First is the foundation---it is built back into the hill: IMG_4573 (800x533).jpg
And here's the finds:IMG_6356 (1024x611).jpgIMG_6357 (836x1024).jpgIMG_6358 (1024x777).jpgIMG_6360 (1024x631).jpgIMG_6368 (1024x926).jpgIMG_6370 (1024x683).jpgIMG_6373 (1024x941).jpg

Thanks for any help!!
 

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Regarding the "45-70 flat nose 300 Grain WRA bullet" you're asking about:
In all my years of research, I've never come across an "antique" .45-70 bullet which is lead-only (not copper-jacketed) and has a "true" flat nose (like the bullet found by Charmin). All of the 1870s-1890s lead-only .45-70 bullets I've seen have either a rounded or semi-rounded nose. I've never seen the lead-only bullet you mention as being in the 1897 Sears catalog. So, I cannot answer your question from "direct observation." I do know that the 1870s-1880s lead-only .45-70-500 and .45-70-405 had three grooves. Theoretically, it's possible that a .45-70-300, being a lighter, shorter bullet than the 500 and 405, might have had only two grooves. But I think it's more likely that it had three grooves, with just a shorter nose.

Yo asked if the .45 Colt Long cartridge's bullet had more than one groove. I assume you mean the cartridge for the US Army's Model-1874 Colt Revolver. If so, my answer is yes, it did. It had two grooves. See the photo at the end of this post, showing an excavated, white-patina specimen.

I asked Charmin to put the marked edge of a ruler up against the flat bottom of his bullet, and tell us (or show us in a photo) whether its diameter is closer to 3/8th-inch or 7/16th-inch. He still hasn't done that. I suspect that his flatnosed bullet with two reeded grooves is a .44 caliber, not a .38 caliber. Specifically, I think it is an 1880s-or-later .44-40 bullet, for the Model-1873 Winchester .44-40 Rifle. I've seen a photo of a flatnosed lead-only .44-40 which looks like an exact match for Charmin's except that this one is a hollow-point. See the other photo below.
This is the best I can do for a measurement: IMG_6501 (764x1024).jpgIMG_6502 (1024x741).jpg
Thank guys! I am amazed at how knowledgeable y'all are on these bullets!

And TnMtns, you asked about the deer herd....we have some pretty good bucks coming in to feed this year......take a gander at the pictures :).(sorry to get off track from the original topic, Mods!)
 

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I'm gonna mark this as solved....I mostly wanted to know about the railroad button but really learned something about lead shot too! Thanks everyone for all the help!!!
 

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