PTSD immoral wars,gee,maybe you think?

[0121stockpicker]

Back to PTSD, TRAUMA/VICARIOUS TRAUMA; VETS get SOCIALIST benefits, then...?

Of course - these are government run programs paid for by government funds. What would you call it. Why do you think socialism is a negative thing. We live in a "society" right? These are well deserved benefits that should be paid for by the people of this country given the service and sacrifices of our military. Would you prefer that our soldiers would come home and there was no VA or benefits and soldiers were told they were on there own and they should be paying for everything? That's is definitely not my idea of any society never mind a great country like America. I gladly pay my taxes to provide these services.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Of course - these are government run programs paid for by government funds. What would you call it. Why do you think socialism is a negative thing. We live in a "society" right? These are well deserved benefits that should be paid for by the people of this country given the service and sacrifices of our military. Would you prefer that our soldiers would come home and there was no VA or benefits and soldiers were told they were on there own and they should be paying for everything? That's is definitely not my idea of any society never mind a great country like America. I gladly pay my taxes to provide these services.

NEVER "said" it was a "negative thing"...

 

[0121stockpicker]

NEVER "said" it was a "negative thing"...

Nope, I just think the word often has a negative association - like the word "liberal" now a days. This world and country would have an awful lot more misery if we all existed under a "pure capitalist" system.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Nope, I just think the word often has a negative association - like the word "liberal" now a days. This world and country would have an awful lot more misery if we all existed under a "pure capitalist" system.

True... I am even a CHRISTIAN Socialist; TOTALLY based on the TEACHINGS of Christ... NOTHING to do with Government "CRAP"! THAT "said", in MY work, I give ppl their "in-charge" Dignity & Self-Responsibilty. TRAUMA/VICARIOUIS TRAUMA Resources are shared with ppl; THEY have to "follow-through".

 

[0121stockpicker]

True... I am even a CHRISTIAN Socialist; TOTALLY based on the TEACHINGS of Christ... NOTHING to do with Government "CRAP"! THAT "said", in MY work, I give ppl their "in-charge" Dignity & Self-Responsibilty. TRAUMA/VICARIOUIS TRAUMA Resources are shared with ppl; THEY have to "follow-through".

Cool. I actually collect items related to American Christian communal / utopian societies such as the Shakers, ephrata, Amana, house of David etc. early Christianity was completely socialist / communistic.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Cool. I actually collect items related to American Christian communal / utopian societies such as the Shakers, ephrata, Amana, house of David etc. early Christianity was completely socialist / communistic.

GREAT! Been to the Rosicrucian Colony in PA, connected to the Monks on the Ridge; THEY had MUCH "influence" on Founding Father, who were DEISTS, like Thomas Jefferson. LOVED that place in PA! EARLY Christians were SOCIALISTIC COMMUNES... NOT Communists.

 

[0121stockpicker]

GREAT! Been to the Rosicrucian Colony in PA, connected to the Monks on the Ridge; THEY had MUCH "influence" on Founding Father, who were DEISTS, like Thomas Jefferson. LOVED that place in PA! EARLY Christians were SOCIALISTIC COMMUNES... NOT Communists.

Obviously the term "communist" did not even exist then. I am not using "communist" in a political spence but to mean a group with pooled resources owned in common and not owned by individuals. The shakers used to call themselves communists until it became a "dirty word". In some of their later documents they used to put a star next to the word communist and state "not to be confused with soviet communism". Again it's a shame that bad people can ruin a great concept. As "communists" the shakers created not only hugely successful communities but wildly successful businesses. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pooling labor and common ownership of goods. It's actually can be a wildly successful model.

 

[Dave44]

Obviously the term "communist" did not even exist then. I am not using "communist" in a political spence but to mean a group with pooled resources owned in common and not owned by individuals. The shakers used to call themselves communists until it became a "dirty word". In some of their later documents they used to put a star next to the word communist and state "not to be confused with soviet communism". Again it's a shame that bad people can ruin a great concept. As "communists" the shakers created not only hugely successful communities but wildly successful businesses. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pooling labor and common ownership of goods. It's actually can be a wildly successful model.

It has just never been tried the right way. Every time it has been tried it has failed spectacularly. So there must be some politician that made it not work correctly?

He said a communist had a wildly successful business model?

 

[0121stockpicker]

It has just never been tried the right way. Every time it has been tried it has failed spectacularly. So there must be some politician that made it not work correctly?

He said a communist had a wildly successful business model?

Yes, I believe the shaker community was quite successful don't you?

 

[arnofarrell]

Vets deserve those benefits, they EARNED them by serving there country and risking there lives. People on food stamps and welfare did not earn there benefits like vets have. I do not believe vet benifits should be considered socialist benefits.

 

[Dave44]

Vets deserve those benefits, they EARNED them by serving there country and risking there lives. People on food stamps and welfare did not earn there benefits like vets have. I do not believe vet benifits should be considered socialist benefits.

You are right Arn, It is an attempt to hijack a cause for the benefit of the liberal utopia. If they can get you to go along with this example they feel they have a foothold. We support our troops because they support us. One of the few real reasons to have a tax.

 

[Muddyhandz]

I got a little heated in this thread.

Here is why.

I was "fine" until I asked for something to help me sleep... I was having trouble adjusting to a regular schedule after 6 years of rotating patrols and days without sleep.
"Well, we should look at WHY you aren't sleeping" (guy with paper on wall)
"Hmmm....well, we think you have PTSD.
"But I just can't sleep sometimes and over the counter stuff makes my hands hurt. What the hell? Forget it then.."
"You just told me you are having symptoms of PTSD....well, I will give you something to sleep then. But you now have PTSD. You have to take klonopin, depakote, zyprexa, seroquel and see a therapist or we will stop your benefits and have you committed."


Congratulations, you now have a customer.
And heck, if we try hard enough, we can support three, maybe four "counselors" and more bureaucracy by over inflating my not being able to sleep.

My former military service is now bigger business than the equipment I used to kill.

This is the way of North America now.
I've gone to two different doctors with chest pain and both of them prescribed Prozac! Trying to convince me that I have anxiety when I'm a very laid back person.
Got X-rays from a chiropractor and he showed me how my spine (outta whack) was pulling on my rib cage causing the chest pain I was experiencing.
Haven't had problems for a few years now.
I wouldn't doubt if half the continent isn't on some kind of anti-depressant. More and more "text book" diagnosis for kids now than ever. For anyone!
Here we have this textbook terminology..........Let's see who fits in.
The problem is......Everyone has their OWN EXPERIENCES that make up their character.
How can all these DIFFERENT people be lumped together?
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things based on the experiences that make them who they are.
I'm sure the intentions are good with most of those who have a job "helping people" like physicians and counselors.
But somehow it all leads to more profits for big pharma in the long run.
Here's a pill for your problems.
IMO, if anyone happens to feel symptoms of PTSD, get together with a bunch that served with you, have some beers and get sh*t off your chest.
These are the people that would know best with what you're going through. They all may cope with stress differently which is good. More options.
Cheers,
Dave.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This is the way of North America now.
I've gone to two different doctors with chest pain and both of them prescribed Prozac! Trying to convince me that I have anxiety when I'm a very laid back person.
Got X-rays from a chiropractor and he showed me how my spine (outta whack) was pulling on my rib cage causing the chest pain I was experiencing.
Haven't had problems for a few years now.
I wouldn't doubt if half the continent isn't on some kind of anti-depressant. More and more "text book" diagnosis for kids now than ever. For anyone!
Here we have this textbook terminology..........Let's see who fits in.
The problem is......Everyone has their OWN EXPERIENCES that make up their character.
How can all these DIFFERENT people be lumped together?
Everyone has their own way of dealing with things based on the experiences that make them who they are.
I'm sure the intentions are good with most of those who have a job "helping people" like physicians and counselors.
But somehow it all leads to more profits for big pharma in the long run.
Here's a pill for your problems.
IMO, if you happen to feel symptoms of PTSD, get together with a bunch that served with you, have some beers and get sh*t off your chest.
These are the people that would know best with what you're going through. They all may cope with stress differently which is good. More options.
Cheers,
Dave.

Drinking beer only NUMBS the "pain of TRAUMA"; if everyone is drinking... WHO is listening...? There ARE other options.... it takes self-responsibility.

 

[Muddyhandz]

I didn't say get drunk! Lol.
Men don't always open up with their feelings and a few beers help break the ice.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I didn't say get drunk! Lol.
Men don't always open up with their feelings and a few beers help break the ice.

OK. As long as you can stop drinking... It DOES "break the ice"; lessening inhibitions regarding
the "pain & glory". I agree with the "peer SUPPORT group approach", sort of like AA, and talking IS helpful; I was Primary Sponsor of a VietNam Vets Group in MAX Security Prison in Virginia; had 2 VN Peer Vets (counselors) from Ch'ville, Va. Vets Center helping... The VETS inmates were "in", doing time for VARIOUS crimes. Murder, Rape, DRUG offenses (MOST were alcohol dependent); ALL they wanted to talk about, were their days in VietNam; VN Peer Vets left after 3rd session... PO'ed. VN Vets (inmates) were STILL in VietNam (this was in 1988).

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

WOW! You ARE a very angry person...

I was just thinking the same thing!

 

[Dave44]

Of course - these are government run programs paid for by government funds. What would you call it. Why do you think socialism is a negative thing. We live in a "society" right? These are well deserved benefits that should be paid for by the people of this country given the service and sacrifices of our military. Would you prefer that our soldiers would come home and there was no VA or benefits and soldiers were told they were on there own and they should be paying for everything? That's is definitely not my idea of any society never mind a great country like America. I gladly pay my taxes to provide these services.

US has been a socialist country since FDR, maybe that is what he was referring to?

An economy can easily have BOTH capitalist and socialist attributes - most do. They are not exclusive. Socialist security and Medicare are some of the largest socialist / wealth redistributing programs in the entire world. No big deal - it is what it is. I think it is appropriate for any capitalist system to have socialist programs / safety nets in place.

I just use that term to make the point that the United States has had massive socialist programs in place ever since FDR. These programs now represent some of the biggest items of the entire federal and state budgets. Many posters on this site believe that only dead beats receive money from the government (and before anyone states that they "pay" for SS and Medicare - you get WAY more out of it than people have ever put in). Before we cast stones at "socialist" Europe and Canada and talk about the "deadbeats" using the system we should all fess up that the vast vast majority of ALL Americans will be tapping into socialist programs during their lives. No shame but Lets just call the spade the spade.

Nope, I just think the word often has a negative association - like the word "liberal" now a days. This world and country would have an awful lot more misery if we all existed under a "pure capitalist" system.

Cool. I actually collect items related to American Christian communal / utopian societies such as the Shakers, ephrata, Amana, house of David etc. early Christianity was completely socialist / communistic.

Obviously the term "communist" did not even exist then. I am not using "communist" in a political spence but to mean a group with pooled resources owned in common and not owned by individuals. The shakers used to call themselves communists until it became a "dirty word". In some of their later documents they used to put a star next to the word communist and state "not to be confused with soviet communism". Again it's a shame that bad people can ruin a great concept. As "communists" the shakers created not only hugely successful communities but wildly successful businesses. There is absolutely nothing wrong with pooling labor and common ownership of goods. It's actually can be a wildly successful model.

This series of statements helps us all understand your real misunderstanding of this country and liberty.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This series of statements helps us all understand your real misunderstanding of this country and liberty.

Hmmm...?