powderhorn help?

[dozer dan]

this was left to me by my father in law who collected civil war and american revolution weapons.

i knew of the horn for years but never asked about it.

sadly, now its too late. if you notice virginia is miss spelled.

 

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[dozer dan]

why don't we get some opinions on the brass & copper parts and today I'll get some more
pics of the bottom and some closeups.

 

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[Drache]

Sure doesn't look real to me either, but I'm no expert on the subject. It just looks too new....I'd say it was made in the 60s or 70s. East and West should have been abundantly clear to any countryboy 150 years ago.... no question about which way is which even to the simplest of farmboys. The teepee is a western symbol, not relating to anything natives lived in in Virginia, but possibly seen in Texas. Virgia could be a guys name, but why would someone spell their own name capitalizing all the letters except the "I"s? I think it was made by a kid with a kit and a woodburning pen. I hope I'm wrong .

The simple mistake of the year and "spelling" mistakes can be pretty simply explained, if this was "real" you're looking at a time when most people didn't even know how to read or write. I've seen lots of documents from the "Old West" and too many signatures were simple X's or looked as though the name was written by a kid and yet was an "adult cowboy".

 

[BuckleBoy]

What we usually see with some of the early fantasy pieces, is lots of information. Not only will a buckle say "CSA" but it will also say "Alabama" and be dated "1861" or something.

The same is true here. The attachments and fittings on this piece do not seem old to me, there is too much information--and it is misspelled intentionally and the compas rose is backwards intentionally to lure us into thinking it was some uneducated Reb that did the drawings. Pieces like this that are genuine have very little in the way of markings. And I don't think I've ever seen one with a compass rose on it--much less one that was drawn wrong.


The piece seems fishy, and I would bet my bottom dollar that it's a 60s or 70s fantasy piece.


Best Wishes,



Buckleboy

 

[Blacksheep]

I don`t know anything about powder horns but it would seem to me, that
if this was used, the copper (?) spout would have some type of wear marks
from being used, wouldn't it?

 

[curbdiggercarl57]

Pretty, but I'm having my doubts as well.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

why don't we get some opinions on the brass & copper parts ...

I didnt comment on the brass because I was hoping someone else would that knows more than I. Because I dont know, I will ask this as a question. Is this unusual to have this spring type brass gunpowder dispenser on a horn?
http://www.muzzleloadermag.com/18th Cent Powder Horn/Powder_Horn_review.htm

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ive been looking at powder horns and I cant find a 19th century horn with this exact brass end on it. It looks like the type removed from a flask. It also appears to be covering part of the engraving as if someone cut back on the horn until the size was large enough to fit the brass dispenser cap. Notice that the horn is short. Some do have similar leather but it is tied on better. Ive also looked at engravings of animals and here is one to compare.

 

[Blacksheep]

Found this site, too bad the pics are rather small.

http://www.prices4antiques.com/sitemap/firearms-edged-weapons/powder-horns-flasks/


Wish we could see this one a little closer.
http://www.prices4antiques.com/fire...-Flask-Horn-Body-Brass-Top-8-inch-A010141.htm

 

[DirtyMike]

My first thought is that a reenactor may have carried this . I have seen similar horns used by civil war reenactors.

 

[SomeGuy]

I believe 2 letter state abbreviations, such as KY, are a modern invention of the Post Office, circa mid 1960s.

 

[CRUSADER]

My first thought is that a reenactor may have carried this . I have seen similar horns used by civil war reenactors.

If true, they were not as fussy as the ones I know. They like to have the real thing or as close as to the historical facts as possible.

 

[SomeGuy]

I have to correct myself.

Apparently the old style of KY was Ky. , and the style of printing here is such that I cannot be certain which, if either, abbreviation was used. There appears to be a period after the k, which is inconsistent with either abbreviation. My gut feeling is that this was done by a kid who added the periods by mistake, in modern times.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/stateabbreviations.asp

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I have to correct myself.

Apparently the old style of KY was Ky. , and the style of printing here is such that I cannot be certain which, if either, abbreviation was used. There appears to be a period after the k, which is inconsistent with either abbreviation. My gut feeling is that this was done by a kid who added the periods by mistake, in modern times.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/stateabbreviations.asp

I dont think that link is going back far enough because as a kid in Pennsylvania we used Penna. or Penn. and then Pa.
I think Kentucky was Ken. or Kent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tional_abbreviation#Traditional_abbreviations

 

[SomeGuy]

I have to correct myself.

Apparently the old style of KY was Ky. , and the style of printing here is such that I cannot be certain which, if either, abbreviation was used. There appears to be a period after the k, which is inconsistent with either abbreviation. My gut feeling is that this was done by a kid who added the periods by mistake, in modern times.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/stateabbreviations.asp

I dont think that link is going back far enough because as a kid in Pennsylvania we used Penna. or Penn. and then Pa.
I think Kentucky was Ken. or Kent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tional_abbreviation#Traditional_abbreviations

I thought I remembered something like that but couldn't find any reference. I stand re-corrected.

 

[ricco]

the powder measure looks real, if you check to see how many grains of black powder it holds will tell you if its a .58 cal. during the civil war they used 60 grains in there rifels, it looks like it was for a colt walker which also used 60 grains of black powder, i should add that muskets used fffg and pistoles used ffffg. ricco