powderhorn help?

[dozer dan]

this was left to me by my father in law who collected civil war and american revolution weapons.

i knew of the horn for years but never asked about it.

sadly, now its too late. if you notice virginia is miss spelled.

 

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[dozer dan]

as long as i have had this thing, i had never noticed that the east/west compass points

were backward until i saw the pictures.

maybe he was facing south while he was inscribing it.

or spinning in circles.

ya know, that might not be so far fetched. i could picture guys sittin around the fire killin time,
one guy facing south ask another guy,facing north which way is S.N.E. & W.? and not knowing any better,
carving it out like he see's it.

 

[CRUSADER]

looks to good to be true, if you know what I mean.

The leather handle is a later addition for sure.

 

[dozer dan]

yep. im sure that would have been replaced many, many times.

 

[Gypsy Heart]

Wonder why it would have 1860 on it and those two states ,plus C.S.A., when the CSA wasnt formed until 1861
The Confederate States of America (called the Confederacy, the Confederate States, and the CSA) formed as the government set up from 1861 to 1865 by eleven southern states of the United States of America that had declared their secession from the U.S.

Seceding states
Seven states declared their secession before Lincoln took office on March 4, 1861:

South Carolina (December 20, 1860)
Mississippi (January 9, 1861
Florida (January 10, 1861
Alabama (January 11, 1861
Georgia (January 19, 1861
Louisiana (January 26, 1861
Texas (February 1, 1861
After the Confederate attack on Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, and Lincoln's subsequent call for troops on April 15, four more states declared their secession

Virginia (April 17, 1861;
Arkansas (May 6, 1861
Tennessee (May 7, 1861]
North Carolina May 20,1861

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was just trying to type that Gypsy The Confederate Constitution wasnt adopted until 1861. Maybe it was made by a child. A Boy Scout perhaps. But a scout should know east from west. Very strange and unusual. But strange and unusual sells lol.

I think the markings are random because there is also a teepee and arrows.

 

[Drache]

It might not be from 1860 but it still might be old. Maybe it was made by some 70 year old guy who misremembered the year? The states could be where he was from? The tepee and arrows might mean he fought indians... who knows!

As I always said, it's times like thing I wish I could go back in time!

 

[My Precious]

I've seen a few powderhorns on the roadshow before. Too bad there's not a name on it. I wouldn't think it would be unusual to have a date of 1860 and CSA on it...the inscriptions usually told a story. Maybe this horn was started in November of 1860, and the inscriptions added as this person traveled or maybe fought in battles in various states over the next few years? Here's a link to an older horn that was on the roadshow, kind of neat to read the transcript. By the way I really think that's a great piece you have Double D. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200705A35.html

 

[Likely Guy]

Maybe C.S.A. were his initials.

 

[Gypsy Heart]

Virgia was listed in the top 1000 most popular male names in the 1800's

 

[72cheyenne]

Wonder why it would have 1860 on it and those two states ,plus C.S.A., when the CSA wasnt formed until 1861

In the first pic of the horn I see "KY" (Kentucky?) also. Interesting piece, want to follow this.
Was Kentucky confederate?

Maybe this thing is a waybill.

 

[Gypsy Heart]

Wonder why it would have 1860 on it and those two states ,plus C.S.A., when the CSA wasnt formed until 1861

In the first pic of the horn I see "KY" (Kentucky?) also. Interesting piece, want to follow this.
Was Kentucky confederate?

Maybe this thing is a waybill.

Kentucky and Missouri declared neutrality very early in the war. In Kentucky, the state gradually sided with the north; however a second, pro-Confederate, government was set up in some southern counties, much like the counties that would become West Virginia, although its control in those regions was relatively transitory.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I've seen a few powderhorns on the roadshow before. Too bad there's not a name on it. I wouldn't think it would be unusual to have a date of 1860 and CSA on it...the inscriptions usually told a story. Maybe this horn was started in November of 1860, and the inscriptions added as this person traveled or maybe fought in battles in various states over the next few years? Here's a link to an older horn that was on the roadshow, kind of neat to read the transcript. By the way I really think that's a great piece you have Double D. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/200705A35.html

Yea, nice horsie. (or doggie) Maybe its old, my gut feeling is not. This looks to be done all at the same time and not added over the years.. It looks as if it took a total of 3 minutes to carve this very childish looking scribble. You would think someone would take some time and carve an art piece over the years. I think it was made in rapid haste, hence the mistakes. Nice touch on the dotted i's. Just my opinion. Im no expert on powderhorns.

 

[dozer dan]

Wonder why it would have 1860 on it and those two states ,plus C.S.A., when the CSA wasnt formed until 1861

In the first pic of the horn I see "KY" (Kentucky?) also. Interesting piece, want to follow this.
Was Kentucky confederate?

Maybe this thing is a waybill.

mason dixon line?

Kentucky and Missouri declared neutrality very early in the war. In Kentucky, the state gradually sided with the north; however a second, pro-Confederate, government was set up in some southern counties, much like the counties that would become West Virginia, although its control in those regions was relatively transitory.

 

[truckinbutch]

I am very suspicious of this horn as represented . 35 years ago I helped a now deceased friend restore a "Poor Boy's Rifle" that had been passed through his family from the original owner to him into a shootable arm . To enhance his enjoyment I made a white horn scrimshawed with period designs just for him .
His mercenary grandkids are now trying to peddle the pair for thousands of dollars as original .

 

[cheese]

Sure doesn't look real to me either, but I'm no expert on the subject. It just looks too new....I'd say it was made in the 60s or 70s. East and West should have been abundantly clear to any countryboy 150 years ago.... no question about which way is which even to the simplest of farmboys. The teepee is a western symbol, not relating to anything natives lived in in Virginia, but possibly seen in Texas. Virgia could be a guys name, but why would someone spell their own name capitalizing all the letters except the "I"s? I think it was made by a kid with a kit and a woodburning pen. I hope I'm wrong .

 

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

the directions are reversed so reverse the image by holding it up to a mirror
and see if you learn anything. siegfried schlagrule

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I would like to see a pic of the bottom end. The leather attachment point doesnt look very strong or functional. It looks like it would break first time someone used it.
Maybe it was made quickly for use in a western movie? Or maybe it was sold at a tourist attraction. Maybe thats where he picked it up. It just doesnt look quality to me. Maybe someone will search for a picture. There may be others.

 

[ArkieGold]

Wonder why it would have 1860 on it and those two states ,plus C.S.A., when the CSA wasnt formed until 1861

In the first pic of the horn I see "KY" (Kentucky?) also. Interesting piece, want to follow this.
Was Kentucky confederate?

Maybe this thing is a waybill.

Could be a waybill. Some of "those" we've seen and that hillbilly showed me that day like the one made onto an old pillow pretty much convinced me they made them out of all sorts of stuff.

Am I seeing things or is there some other part of a carving under the metal part to the very left?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

As far as the mistakes, keep in mind that anyone with first hand experience serving in battle in the CSA and Indian Wars would not make these mistakes. Again, just my opinion.