“Poverty” pays better than middle-class employment

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"Poverty" pays better than middle-class employment | Human Events

By John Hayword

I have long maintained that the critical problem with the American welfare state is not “makers vs. takers,” but rather makers who are also takers. A prosperous free society can afford safety-net programs for the truly impoverished, and the citizens of such a society are going to insist on funding one. The great danger of the classic welfare model is that the “safety net becomes a hammock,” by eroding the work ethic of those who spend generations within it. This can inflict horrendous damage on the lower echelons of society – look at what happened to the supposed beneficiaries of the Great Society – but the rest of the national economic structure can survive it. The political will to reform bloated and corrupt welfare programs can still be marshaled.

An out-of-control classical welfare state can cost a lot of money, and it can mess up poor families for generations, but it’s still fairly distinct from the rest of society. And it should be, for both practical and moral reasons. We can all agree that the only “happy ending” for any given welfare recipient is a return to the productive middle class, right? Even the vast majority of liberal American voters would say that’s the desired outcome.

But classical welfarism has mutated into something far more insidious and dangerous. It is the great project of the organized political Left to destroy the “middle class” they pretend to venerate, by infecting it with government dependency. The true hardcore leftist hates the middle class, because it combines numerical voting strength with independence. It has good reasons to resist collectivism, and the political power to do so. This hard-Left hatred is so intense that it frequently spills over into mainstream liberal culture, where it is generally fashionable to express sarcastic contempt for the middle-class lifestyle, or conflate middle-class identity with sheltered, arrogant, insensitive “whiteness.”

When you hear a leftist praise the “middle class,” he’s not talking about the same thing most of us think of when we hear the term. We still associate middle-class living with financial independence and professional success. When a leftist talks about the middle class, he means someone who has a job and depends on government benefits. The desired outcome is the fusion of paycheck and welfare check; takers who are also makers. This allows the collectivist to harvest two types of power from the same vast group of people: confiscation of income through taxation, and direct control through the manipulation of government benefits. Socialized medicine is generally the endgame for the Western Left in any given country, because it moves the political center of gravity permanently and irrevocably to the far Left. It becomes politically impossible to run against the welfare state at that point; you can only ask voters to give you a turn at the controls, with promises to run the machine a bit more efficiently.

But even with medicine only partially socialized in America, the Left is already well along on its project to transform the middle class. As ZeroHedge warns – and not for the first time – the lower ranks of the middle class have become virtually indistinguishable from welfare-dependent poverty. Food Stamp Nation has made it possible for a minimum-wage earner to have more disposable income than someone earning sixty grand a year:

Exactly two years ago, some of the more politically biased progressive media outlets (who are quite adept at creating and taking down their own strawmen arguments, if not quite as adept at using an abacus, let alone a calculator) took offense at our article “In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year.” In it we merely explained what has become the painful reality in America: for increasingly more it is now more lucrative – in the form of actual disposable income – to sit, do nothing, and collect various welfare entitlements, than to work.

This is graphically, and very painfully confirmed, in the below chart from Gary Alexander, Secretary of Public Welfare, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (a state best known for its broke capital Harrisburg). As quantitied, and explained by Alexander, “the single mom is better off earnings gross income of $29,000 with $57,327 in net income & benefits than to earn gross income of $69,000 with net income and benefits of $57,045.“

This is Secretary Alexander’s chart. As ZeroHedge notes, it tracks very closely with a similar chart published by the Congressional Budget Office.

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The “welfare cliff” is far more dangerous than the “fiscal cliff” everyone is talking about these days. The welfare cliff nullifies the stated purpose of the social safety net – which, as noted, is recognized by most of the voters in all political parties. Dependency has become inescapable for too many people. The rational incentives for climbing out of that safety net have been removed, and it reaches well into what earlier generations would have called “the working poor,” rather than “welfare dependents.” There is simply no logical reason for someone on the wrong side of this cliff to climb over it, barring a remarkable turn of fortune that vaults them from the minimum wage to over $60,000 per year in a single mighty bound.

This problem is particularly acute when the benefits piled up into that formidable cliff face are regarded as effectively “cost-free” by the beneficiaries. They simply do not believe that anyone suffers or sacrifices to provide the funding for those benefits. They think it’s all paid for with pennies skimmed from paychecks, idle loot confiscated from greedy fat cats who will never miss it, and money printed in the basement of the Treasury. Even the healthy degree of shame afforded by reliance upon private charity is removed, when benefits become “entitlements” dispensed by a soulless, impersonal bureaucracy. A lot of this stuff just shows up in your mailbox. And one of the crucial truths “compassionate” liberals have never accepted is that shame is an indispensable component of responsibility. Shame is a species of guilt, after all, and only the responsible are capable of feeling guilty.

The corporate welfare being ladled out at the upper end of the income scale is nothing to sneeze at, either. It also produces a form of dependency, in which political connections become one of the most vital components of “business” success. It’s not about clearly-defined groups of “takers” versus “makers” any more, and it hasn’t been for a long time. As ZeroHedge notes by way of a chilling conclusion, there are about 110 million Americans currently employed in the private sector… versus 88 million welfare recipients and government workers. That’s a ratio of 1.25 private employees for every government employee and dependent. That is not sustainable, and it’s getting worse. Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.
 

Exactly! With all the handouts for being non-functioning in this society, they make more than the working class. And it's getting worse all the time.
 

Wait, I get SS and Teacher Retirement. I feel like a bum, but I ain't giving it back. God I love this country...
 

Austin,

Relax, those are monies that were already taken from you, you are 100% able now to get 50% of it back!
 

Wait, I get SS and Teacher Retirement. I feel like a bum, but I ain't giving it back. God I love this country...

And why should you? You earned that money for many many years of service, am I correct?
 

Social Security for druggies is only one of many ways we are being ripped off. Like I've said before, we don't have armed guards at our bank but we do at the SS office. Wonder why? These old, retired, worn out citizens some kind of threat? Nope, it's the throng of worthless scumbags they are worried about. My wife worked for a mental health office and these scum told her many times how they rip off the system. They learn what to say and they share that info with each other. My wife has taken many of them to the bank so they can cash their $3,000 plus checks they get for back pay. Then they buy drugs for their friends and party in the park. They get picked up at their homes and driven to dr appointments and to "therapy" in county vehicles straining county budgets even more. Their "therapy" consists of "how you doing?" and then they just interact with the rest of the scumballs while eating a free lunch. Tip of the welfare iceberg. Get rid of the fraud and there would be plenty of help for the truly needy.
 

Please correct me if I am wrong but don't you need to be eligible for unemployment by putting in a share for x amount of time before you can collect benefits?
 

Please correct me if I am wrong but don't you need to be eligible for unemployment by putting in a share for x amount of time before you can collect benefits?
True, but your employer only pays in enough to provide 6 months, max, of unemployment benefits. The newer "extended" unemployment benefits are simply welfare provided by the Feds. The term "unemployment" is politically more palatable than calling those "extended" benefits "welfare".
Jim
 

True, but your employer only pays in enough to provide 6 months, max, of unemployment benefits. The newer "extended" unemployment benefits are simply welfare provided by the Feds. The term "unemployment" is politically more palatable than calling those "extended" benefits "welfare".
Jim

Extended benefits which were passed by both houses of congress - correct? Folks need to realize that the prez does not make laws - that's the congress!! Civics 101 people. And whether you agree with it or not congress extended benefits as part of an overall stimulus package which again was drafted and passed by congress. Not saying I completely agree but for anyone complaining about high unemployment and that the gov isnt doing anytjing - you can't go and then complain about a stimulus. Personally I would have the majority of stimulus spending going towards infrastructure upgraded but that's just my opinion.
 

Extended benefits which were passed by both houses of congress - correct? Folks need to realize that the prez does not make laws - that's the congress!! Civics 101 people. And whether you agree with it or not congress extended benefits as part of an overall stimulus package which again was drafted and passed by congress. Not saying I completely agree but for anyone complaining about high unemployment and that the gov isnt doing anytjing - you can't go and then complain about a stimulus. Personally I would have the majority of stimulus spending going towards infrastructure upgraded but that's just my opinion.
I mostly agree, but those benefits are still handouts (welfare)....and they often go to educated people who won't take a job that is beneath their dignity, or education level, which IMHO is wrong. You'll note my post, which you quoted, was non-political.
Jim
 

"Not saying I completely agree but for anyone complaining about high unemployment and that the gov isnt doing anytjing - you can't go and then complain about a stimulus."
High unemployment and receiving money from the dwindling employed. Money confiscated by the government so that the unemployed would not see the consequences of their actions(votes.) I think we are complaining the Government is bribing people with our money.
 

I mostly agree, but those benefits are still handouts (welfare)....and they often go to educated people who won't take a job that is beneath their dignity, or education level, which IMHO is wrong. You'll note my post, which you quoted, was non-political.
Jim


Was a real good post you made and I completely agree with you. Unemployment should definitely be only for those who are truly unemployed. I believe if someone is not actively looking for a job or turns one down then they do not qualify and to collect the benefits would be illegal. But I don't know the ins and outs? I think we all know that we have been in a very bad recession/depression so I am sure there are plenty of people that rightfully could use extended benefits.

And again I think the benefit extension had bipartisan support though I do believe there were some contentious stuff attached.

Best.
 

Was a real good post you made and I completely agree with you. Unemployment should definitely be only for those who are truly unemployed. I believe if someone is not actively looking for a job or turns one down then they do not qualify and to collect the benefits would be illegal. But I don't know the ins and outs? I think we all know that we have been in a very bad recession/depression so I am sure there are plenty of people that rightfully could use extended benefits.

And again I think the benefit extension had bipartisan support though I do believe there were some contentious stuff attached.

Best.
Sure, but the fact somebody could use the money isn't, of itself, enough reason to give it away. We can all use more money. Being broke is a great motivator...remove motivation, and nobody does anything. I believe part of our unemployment problem is too many benefits doled-out, which robs people of the motivation to get moving.
Jim
 

Jim, you said "You'll note my post, which you quoted, was non-political.
Jim"

You have to understand picker. Any time you point out a problem with this administration, picker has to jump to the defense of Obama or the democrats in general. It's his knee-jerk reaction to those kinds of posts even if Obama or the democrats weren't mentioned at all in a post. He can't help it. If all you said in a post is "the sky is falling", he would say, "it's not Obama's fault".
 

Jim, you said "You'll note my post, which you quoted, was non-political.
Jim"

You have to understand picker. Any time you point out a problem with this administration, picker has to jump to the defense of Obama or the democrats in general. It's his knee-jerk reaction to those kinds of posts even if Obama or the democrats weren't mentioned at all in a post. He can't help it. If all you said in a post is "the sky is falling", he would say, "it's not Obama's fault".

Funny as I have never voted for Obama. But maybe I'm just a secret plant sent here to undermine the handful of people on the site.

Packer, many of us just want to discuss fact as opposed to extremist rhetoric. Is that ok with you??
 

I never said you voted for Obama. What was "extremist rhetoric" in Jim's post? He wrote:
True, but your employer only pays in enough to provide 6 months, max, of unemployment benefits. The newer "extended" unemployment benefits are simply welfare provided by the Feds. The term "unemployment" is politically more palatable than calling those "extended" benefits "welfare".
Jim
Your response to Jim was"
"Extended benefits which were passed by both houses of congress - correct? Folks need to realize that the prez does not make laws - that's the congress!! Civics 101 people"
And you can't see that as trying to protect the administration when the administration wasn't even mentioned nor was Obama??
 

I never said you voted for Obama. What was "extremist rhetoric" in Jim's post? He wrote:
True, but your employer only pays in enough to provide 6 months, max, of unemployment benefits. The newer "extended" unemployment benefits are simply welfare provided by the Feds. The term "unemployment" is politically more palatable than calling those "extended" benefits "welfare".
Jim
Your response to Jim was"
"Extended benefits which were passed by both houses of congress - correct? Folks need to realize that the prez does not make laws - that's the congress!! Civics 101 people"
And you can't see that as trying to protect the administration when the administration wasn't even mentioned nor was Obama??

Who ever said that what Jim posted was extremist rhetoric. I was not referring to his post. If you read my response to his post I said it was a good post ?!?! I guess I'm confused at how you even got into the conversation between the two of us. That's right you came in with the usual picker always posts liberal stuff post. Please feel free to actually join the discussion of the op topic. If you wish to discuss my beliefs, politics, etc it might be a good idea to set up another thread. I'm more than happy to participate. Best.
 

Look at your post, number 10 and post 16. What "extreme rhetoric" was posted anywhere??
 

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