Possible... WWI find.....help!!!

[j.d. in the usa]

I was at an auction and got 3 boxes of stuff this is one of similar military items in the boxes... I need WWI and WWII experts to help....

its says exactly this...... "A piece of a Boche Fighter plane,

the black is the cross painted,

and all jerry papers for identification


thanks jd


ALSO: Hello All, I am Inviting friends from Treasure-Net, To a Civil War encampment hunt on Saturday Oct. 14th 2006 from 9 A.M. Until 6 P.M. Only Registered T-Net members from 7-13-06 and before will be allowed to attend, this will stop rouge Relic Hunters from trying to just come.
This is for us friends at Treasure Net.
Details: There is a $25.00 sign -up fee for Detectorists non detectorists will have to pay $10.00 This is first come first served only the first 50 payed will be allowed to attend. The money will be used for refreshments, Door Prizes, and donation to the land owner. I have also added a PAY PAL donation link on the site for those who's like to pay by Pay Pal.
The land was occupied by 4,000 plus Union Civil War Soldiers during all 4 years of the War, there are original earthworks still on the property today, they were put there to guard a major railroad bridge the General thought there would be a major battle there and large earthworks were built, but the battle never happened. this spot has been metal detected before I was there last week and In 15 min. I found a $200.00 seated half dime less than 2 in. deep and found 6 dropped minnie balls... and an eagle button, there are many items still to be found.
LOCATION: The exact location will be given out to payed hunters only, you can find Motel rooms and food in Sedalia Mo. that is near the site of the hunt. Memebers so far that I believe are attending:
Gypsyheart ,
Tsgman ,
Nana40 ,
River Rat ,
bgscofield ,
Scotty,
Dig-it
&Okie

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[Marty-Graw]

JD those are awesome..... i dont know diddly squat about them but .....awesome!!!!!

 

[Southcacalaky]

I'm not much at all on WW1 or 2. trk5capt may be able to shed some light on it for you, HH Art...

 

[stoney56]

its says exactly this...... "A piece of a Boche Fighter plane,

the black is the cross painted,

and all jerry papers for identification


JD, for what it's worth, my opinion is that it is souvenirs of a German plane that was shot down in which the pilot was probably killed. Those would be his military ID papers and the postcard was probably from loved ones.
Looks like part of the address is: Infantry Regiment 402

 

[Pimp Lenin]

No doubt WWI. Here is a picture of a crashed Boche plane:

 

[j.d. in the usa]

man this is sweet someone just PM'd me they think the guy in the post card and the guy in the pic are the same person...?? that would be so cool. I know its probably not worth much but i love stuff like this!!

 

[ScubaFinder]

JD, I'm going WWI also. They generally painted WWII planes with an air gun, not a paint brush. The boche was a WWI plane also. Cool stuff man!

Jason

 

[Medano73]

Very cool stuff ... I love WWI and WW2 history. Boche is a derogatory term the French used for the Germans in WW1 and WW2. Similar to US GI's calling the Germans "krauts" in WW2.
Also, looking at the postcard and the ID pic, I'd say it's not the same man. That type of mustache was very popular during WW1 with the Germans and many Frenchman too. That's definitely a piece of canvas from a German WWI plane. The stories that piece of history could tell if it could speak!

- Dan

 

[Rusted_Iron]

A Passierschein was a document of safe passage. Yours has the signature or stamp from the police station (Polizei Revier). I could tell you more if I could see the details a little better.

There were Passierscheinen made by the Allies in WWII as propaganda / surrender leaflets, but this is not the same kind. Yours looks like a real WWI era document. Those soldiers in the postcard are definitely in WWI garb. The huskier guy looks vaguely like general Erich von Ludendorff, but I doubt that's who it is.

HH,
Chris

 

[Medano73]

::UPDATE::

I believe the chap on the right of the postcard is Generalfeldmarschall Paul von Hindenburg. The fellow on the left I think is von Hindenburg's quartermaster general, Erich von Ludendorff. Together they formed what became known as the Third Supreme Command. According to my source, "This military-industrial dictatorship held power until 29th September 1918, when with defeat inevitable, the government of Germany was returned to the Reichstag."

I included pics of von Ludendorff (left) and von Hindenburg (right)

 

[j.d. in the usa]

WOW thats some awsome stuff guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you!!! you are gonna crap if you see what I just found in one of the Boxes!!!

 

[j.d. in the usa]

after going through the box tonite I found a paper with a few more pieces of fabric and part of the propeller from the plane.

its says " pieces of Boche Plane and wood from the prop"

 

[j.d. in the usa]

found a few more pieces will post later got some patches and shoulder insignia I think.

 

[RatRacer]

::UPDATE::

I believe the chap on the right of the postcard is Generalfeldmarschall Paul von Hindenburg. The fellow on the left I think is von Hindenburg's quartermaster general, Erich von Ludendorff. Together they formed what became known as the Third Supreme Command. According to my source, "This military-industrial dictatorship held power until 29th September 1918, when with defeat inevitable, the government of Germany was returned to the Reichstag."

I included pics of von Ludendorff (left) and von Hindenburg (right)

Yes, the guy the Dirigible was named after! (Oh, the Humanity!)
Amazing finds, JD! Glad they didn't wind up in the trash, like so many others. Keep bringing 'em in!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HIO JD, keep posting . You have had your answers, correctly too.

Tropical Tramp.

 

[Bo]

Great finds jd. Keep us posted on what you find out.

 

[Mackaydon]

JD:
Getting the English interpretation of that post card might also provide some very historic text.
You may also wish to take that post card to a stamp dealer and have him identify the postmark. Noticeable is the lack of a stamp; perhaps it was originally on the post card, or, perhaps, the postmark was all that was required during that time--or through the military.
Great find and I look forward to a long thread here on what all you've found.
Don.......

 

[MalteseFalcon]

Holy Moly!

It would be cool if a) you could track down the unit the pilot was in, and b) track down his descendants!

It would be a longshot...likely impossible, but of course returning lost items or stuff with sentimental value is part of our program here.

What a cool find! I am blown away!!!

 

[j.d. in the usa]

SO FAR: Someone Sent me This in About the Postcard!!

JD... Nice finds. Looks like you got a piece of fabric skin from a WWI German aircraft, and a nice 'feldpost" postcard (free postage from the front for soldiers) addressed to a sergeant (unteroffizier) in Infantry Regiment 4025 (?), 4th Company. I can't make out much of the other document, but I'll send you my fax if you would like for me to try to translate it (old German can be a pain to read.... Particularly the handwriting).

Tom

 

[Mackaydon]

JD: I don't know where you live, but some areas have "German Clubs" where Germans gather with their families for entertainment; possibly taking the post card there (better yet, a good copy of it) may give you a full translation; or again, a stamp dealer specializing in German issues.
Best,
Don...