Ponte Vedra Beach shipwreck destroys FBAR's "embedded" argument

[ARC]

Coinage is the best way to narrow a time window of activity.

 

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[ivan salis]

well we know a few things ..if its copper hulled odds are good its about 1770 ish at the soonest --so very likely its not a Spanish treasure vessel (much more likely a trade ship which was carrying cargo but still might of had money onboard as well) ...since the last Spanish treasure fleet from mexico sailed in 1789 and not much was shipped from 1770 to 1789 as Spain was in decline ...and who says it did not come up with coins embedded in it ...first one to it gets the goodies -- the wood who needs that's ...just the archies

 

[ARC]

Notice I said "narrow"...

unless you get the name of the ship... AND there are records leading that back to shipyard completion of said vessel...

AND records to its loss.

Only then can we definitively pin the actually facts of the life of a ship.

 

[ivan salis]

I get excited when the words "lead hull sheathing" are said -- that is the common hull covering for most of the Spanish treasure fleet era boats ,,,coin are cool for dating as well as valuable ...pottery can also help in dating a wrecksite --esp if it nice intact ming era stuff

 

[ARC]

So ivan...

When are we going to go look for the rest of it ?

... so we can solve this riddle...

Beings I highly doubt anyone definitively will.

 

[ivan salis]

well if steam powered circle saw cuts are on the wood ..think post 1813 ..copper hull to me says post 1770 ..so most likely a common post 1813 sailing wood hulled trading goods ship ...likely not worth much $$

 

[ARC]

Circular saw ? really ?

Hmmm how did I miss that "tidbit"... :/

 

[ARC]

Must have been doing underwater construction and cut her free... :P

 

[ivan salis]

to be honest I tend to focus my efforts on "money vessels" ..yah I admit finding out about history is nice but it doesn't pay the bills ..sadly ..unless your on the public dole as a archie paid by the taxpayors --you and me

 

[ivan salis]

steam powered circle saws were used to cut the timbers for ship building starting in 1813 ...the saws leave a notable pattern vs hand cut timbers another dating tidbit

 

[ARC]

Yeah I missed that... guess I should read more.

 

[njcommercialdiver]

how about lead "patches" what time frame were they used during? i found a section of hull near Sandy Hook NJ and it had a section of lead sheeting patch on the bottom, (its about 2ft long and abt 4 inches wide) so i dug under it to get it, it had square bronze nails holding the planking together, i have a couple and could get a pic of them tomorrow

 

[ivan salis]

was the rest of the hull copper plated ?..if so the repair patch would be off a post 1770 shipwreck most iikely ..if the hull was lead sheathed --likely it was just a part of the over all sheathing in general --likely pre 1770 era

 

[njcommercialdiver]

no this was on a section of all wood, the section was approx 12ft by at least that wide, it was the only one i could see

 

[ivan salis]

hard to say its a lead repair patch or part of a all lead hull then

 

[ECS]

Yeah I missed that... guess I should read more.

Waiting on the graphic novel?

 

[ARC]

Waiting on the graphic novel?

heh. I just read the pictures :P

 

[Diver_Down]

heh. I just read the pictures :P

Is this the same explanation that men have claimed to "read" Playboy for the great articles?

 

[agflit]

Is this the same explanation that men have claimed to "read" Playboy for the great articles?

Wait............................... Playboy has PICTURES??

 

[ivan salis]

not anymore it doesn't ..too much porn on the net for free