Pine tree coin 1652 real or fake

[cchunter]

So I'm cleaning this house out with my ten year old son. We are in the basement and my son finds a boxes with some coins in it. I look in the box and there is a pine tree coin. I know from being on TNet.com a little about them. Now I'm not sure if its real or not, if I found it in the ground I'd be pretty sure it was real. He are some pics of it. If its real he wants half!! Lol

 

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[bigfoot1]

oh boy....I couldnt get that one to a reputable coin dealer fast enough.I wouldnt clean it at all....just wrap it in paper towel and go.

let us know !!!

 

[nhbenz]

From what I've read it appears too close to being round, where originals are usually more irregular.
However, I'm no specialist.
But what is the thickness of the coin, in millimeters if possible?

 

[cchunter]

It's 1.58 mm thick

 

[osage express]

Check to see if it is magnetic if it is it is some China fakes.....If it isn.t i want to be you friend lol Osage

 

[doublet2a]

It doesn't have the right color to me, But don't go by what I say..

Tim

 

[AU Seeker]

There are several different strikes, small planchet and large planchet, different sizes and thickness of genuine 1652 Pine Tree coins, they were minted for numerous years and all with the same date, get it to several experts and then if they think it maybe real then send it in to get it graded, if your coin is real it's in very good condition and would be worth a tidy sum, and you will get the best price for a graded coin!!!

 

[cchunter]

Not magnetic

 

[Iron Patch]

There are several different strikes, small planchet and large planchet, different sizes and thickness of genuine 1652 Pine Tree coins, they were minted for numerous years and all with the same date, get it to several experts and then if they think it maybe real then send it in to get it graded, if your coin is real it's in very good condition and would be worth a tidy sum, and you will get the best price for a graded coin!!!

yes, but none cast, like is the case here. (So it's a reproduction)

 

[bigfoot1]

iron patch,
I know better that to doubt you...but can you share how you know its cast?especially without an edge shot?I'm learning so I thank you

 

[AU Seeker]

yes, but none cast, like is the case here. (So it's a reproduction)

I was thinking that as well, but I have seen pictures of genuine coins that looked similar in pictures so I wasn't going to say it looked cast without seeing better pictures

 

[Iron Patch]

iron patch,
I know better that to doubt you...but can you share how you know its cast?especially without an edge shot?I'm learning so I thank you

The edge, lack of sharpness to the lettering, and experience. I do this for a living so buying hammered coins just from a picture is a very common experience for me.... so I quite easily recognize the suspect ones. If I don't it costs me money, or at least a hassle.

 

[Ism]

If I remember right, there were some cast ones made in the 60's or 70's.
My father had one.

 

[pgleba]

Too round. Too shiny.

 

[placertogo]

Reproduction. This is an attempt to copy what is known to collectors as a Large Planchet Pine Tree Shilling, variety Noe 1. The usual weight on a real coin of this type is about 74 grains, or about 4.8 grams. To give a general comparison, a new clad U.S. Quarter weighs 88 grains and is smaller in diameter than an unclipped Large Planchet Pine Tree Shilling. The Large Planchet Shillings are quite thin, in any event much thinner than 1.58 mm. Here is a photo of a genuine Noe 1 Pine Tree, Large Planchet from the web page of The Littleton Coin Company of Littleton, NH, which, by the way, is a very reputable dealer in early American coins.

 

[BigWaveDave]

how about more or better pics of the coin... that would help

 

[sutphin]

I WOULD SAY IF WE WERE BACK IN THE 1650S JOHN HULL AND JERIMIAH DUMMER WOULD DAMN SURE KNOW!!!VANZUTPHEN

 

[trdking]

I have to agree Repop Grainy casting and too perfectly round. If this were real it would be worth thousands. IMO

 

[Reed Lukens]

Since we haven't heard anything back in the last 2 years, it must have been id'd as a fake. This is an old thread from 2013...

 

[sutphin]

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT AN OLD POST FOOLED ME,VANGULLABLE.