Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFOs, disappearances etc

[lamar]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

I had ALSO read about the Brit. Unit of WWI; they DID alledgely go into a THICK fog bank (ALSO reported in SOME "incidents" in the Bermuda Triangle); was NOT aware of ANY human remains found "at the scene". I have ALL of C. Fort's books, thought of joining the FORTEAN SOCIETY, in "my younger days"; NEVER did. I STILL read up on INTERESTING stories of that "nature". "Google" CHARLES FORT 17,600,000 "hits". Oro, I changed some
info in my "posting", a few "postings" back... MORE coffee?

Dear Rebel-KGC;
Yes, my friend, as I recall, the very first sets of remains were recovered sometime around 1920 with more remains recovered throughout the remainder of the decade. The thick fog bank was most likely nothing more mysterious than burning oil, which was typically utilized to mask troop movements of that era. The fog bank then most likely rose vertically from the hill due to an updraft. It has been surmised that the low-hanging cloud was actually toxic gas, however the only posionous gas in use at that time was yellow colored, hence the name *mustard* gas.

The most likely scenario was that the regiment went over the hill under cover of the smoke screen, when an updraft lifted the screen inadvertantly, thus exposing the regiment to the enemy. Since they were out in the open, they were most likely mowed down in place. It's truly horrific to imagine an ENTIRE regiment cut down to the man, but it does happen on occasion.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Dear group;
As a correction to my previous posts, it was NOT a regiment which dispappeared, rather it was the 1st battlion of the 5th Regiment which disappeared. I apologize for the confusion, but like I stated previous, those Brits used to used some very strange unit designators.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

HMmm HI Lamar: As for the Brit soldiers, the Turks did keep records of any prisoners taken, Medals etc. related? Have to feed and quarter them you know. So if the battle field body and prisoner count fails to account for them, then

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[lamar]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

HMmm HI Lamar: As for the Brit soldiers, the Turks did keep records of any prisoners taken, Medals etc. related? Have to feed and quarter them you know. So if the battle field body and prisoner count fails to account for them, then

Don Jose de La Mancha

Dear Real de Tayopa;
Who knows what happened my friend? The information may have been duly reported and filed, only to have been misfiled or inadvertantly destroyed. During wars, incidents such as this are not unusual, as there exists great numbers of MIAs, the only difference was that this was a battlion sized element which was destroyed, basically in place, with no records having been located as to the cause of their demise. The battlion could have very easily been cut down to the man as well. This happened a LOT in WWI as some of the belligerents did not believe in taking prisoners. War crime? Yes. Unusual for era? No.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Bk, side thought Our white holes may be the black holes in the other half of our thingie, Universes?
A continous balancing of energy ?

Just had to give in and am reading Steven Hawkins book ¨A brief history of time¨, it has revised my conception of time, space, black holes, and the Universe. A fascinating read.

As soon as I finish it, I will be bk with fresh ammo eehhehehe.

Lamar MI amigo, In order for any medals etc., to be awarded, there has to be a reason. Wiping out a Regiment, or whatever, would have to be thorougly investigated or no medals or commndations could be made. ¿¿Since there were none ?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Goldminer]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Here ya go boys and girls, kick this around.

On June 1, 1968, an amateur rock hunter, William J. Meister, of Kearns, Utah was visiting nearby Antelope Springs with his family. The area, which includes the Swasey Mountains and the Cambrian Wheeler shale formation, is famous for its many fossils, and on this particular day Meister was on the lookout for fossilized trilobites and brachiopods - according to evolutionary theory, once among the oldest known living creatures. Meister broke off a rock slab, and, tapping its edge with a hammer, it fell open in two pieces, like the leaves of a book. To his great surprise, inside was a human sandal print, pointed in the toes, rounded in the heel, and with a squashed trilobite in the center of the sole. The sandal print measured 10 1/4 inches long, 3 1/2 inches wide at the ball and 3 inches at the heel. The sandal appears to have been well-worn on the right side - indicating it had been worn on the right foot - and the heel impression is deeper by one-eighth of an inch, characteristic of the weight distribution of humans on the foot. This particular find was later examined by Dr. Hellmut H. Doelling, of the Utah Geological Survey, and he found no irregularities or evidence of fakery - the print was genuine.

On July 20th, Meister returned to Antelope Springs with professional geologist Dr. Clifford Burdick. Digging in the same locality, Burdick discovered another imprint in the Cambrian shale, this time of a child. The print was 6 inches long, and the five toes were barely distinguishable, as if the child was wearing moccasins. Yet Burdick detected that the toes were spread out, indicating the child had only begun to wear shoes, which tend to compress the toes with age. The heel and arch were again well depressed, showing weight distribution, and a segment of a fossil was crushed in its middle. Burdick managed to find a larger fossil imprint, like Meister's original, though the impression was shallower, and also unearthed a second child's track, smaller than the first, with the toes broken off, but perfect in its other aspects. Later, a detailed examination revealed that the rock in which the prints were found was made of tiny layers, and where the foot-marks occur, the layers were bowed downward from the horizontal - demonstrating that weight had indeed, been pressed into the once prehistoric mud.

But that "prehistoric mud" with its tell-tale prints, is now Cambrian shale - an astounding 600 million years old. And the fossils in the prints are trilobites - supposed to be among the earliest forms of life on earth. This time, we have literally hit "rock bottom" in the fossil record - and yet here we find the presence of man, and an intelligent, shoe-wearing man at that. How could he have "evolved" from simple life, when the Cambrian prints testify that he is as old as life itself?

 

[Unicorn]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Just a side "thingie" Don Jose...I expect you know that Stephen Hawkins is suffering from Motor Neurone disease. He has expressed a wish to go into space, and has quite recently had the experience of going into one of those space chambers, He said it was a wonderful experience........Just thought I would throw that little piece if information in....

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Goldminer wrote

How could he have "evolved" from simple life, when the Cambrian prints testify that he is as old as life itself?

A tough proposition, however couldn't this be explained in another, equally "far out" way? Couldn't the prints, which appear to be human-made, be evidence of a time-traveler? At least some scientists are now saying that time travel is possible, at least in theory; would it be so far-out to propose that some future humans, trying out a time-machine, decided one of the safest ancient times to visit (least possibility of causing havoc from their visit) would be the Cambrian period?

Alternately, another 'far-out' explanation would be that the tracks were perhaps made by visitors whom were human-like, or humanoid. The Universe is certainly old enough for life to have evolved numerous times, and it looks now that there are likely many Earth-like planets out there; if we required 4.5 billion years to reach our current state, and the Cambrian period is some 500 million years ago, it only took 500 million for intelligent life to have reached the 'space age'. There are other solar systems which are FAR older than ours, billions of years in fact. I propose that it is possible for 'alien' visitors to have paid a visit to Earth some 500 million years ago, found no intelligent life, walked around a bit taking samples and left behind their footprints. It is a bit ego-centric for us to presume that we humans MUST be the only intelligent life that has ever existed in the Universe.

This is only two possible explanations that would "fit" the finding of human-like tracks in Cambrian fossil beds, in fact I would say either of these possibilities are more likely than to propose that homo sapiens was walking around co-existing with trilobites. Just my opinion of course.
Oroblanco

 

[lamar]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Here ya go boys and girls, kick this around.

On June 1, 1968, an amateur rock hunter, William J. Meister, of Kearns, Utah was visiting nearby Antelope Springs with his family. The area, which includes the Swasey Mountains and the Cambrian Wheeler shale formation, is famous for its many fossils, and on this particular day Meister was on the lookout for fossilized trilobites and brachiopods - according to evolutionary theory, once among the oldest known living creatures. Meister broke off a rock slab, and, tapping its edge with a hammer, it fell open in two pieces, like the leaves of a book. To his great surprise, inside was a human sandal print, pointed in the toes, rounded in the heel, and with a squashed trilobite in the center of the sole. The sandal print measured 10 1/4 inches long, 3 1/2 inches wide at the ball and 3 inches at the heel. The sandal appears to have been well-worn on the right side - indicating it had been worn on the right foot - and the heel impression is deeper by one-eighth of an inch, characteristic of the weight distribution of humans on the foot. This particular find was later examined by Dr. Hellmut H. Doelling, of the Utah Geological Survey, and he found no irregularities or evidence of fakery - the print was genuine.

On July 20th, Meister returned to Antelope Springs with professional geologist Dr. Clifford Burdick. Digging in the same locality, Burdick discovered another imprint in the Cambrian shale, this time of a child. The print was 6 inches long, and the five toes were barely distinguishable, as if the child was wearing moccasins. Yet Burdick detected that the toes were spread out, indicating the child had only begun to wear shoes, which tend to compress the toes with age. The heel and arch were again well depressed, showing weight distribution, and a segment of a fossil was crushed in its middle. Burdick managed to find a larger fossil imprint, like Meister's original, though the impression was shallower, and also unearthed a second child's track, smaller than the first, with the toes broken off, but perfect in its other aspects. Later, a detailed examination revealed that the rock in which the prints were found was made of tiny layers, and where the foot-marks occur, the layers were bowed downward from the horizontal - demonstrating that weight had indeed, been pressed into the once prehistoric mud.

But that "prehistoric mud" with its tell-tale prints, is now Cambrian shale - an astounding 600 million years old. And the fossils in the prints are trilobites - supposed to be among the earliest forms of life on earth. This time, we have literally hit "rock bottom" in the fossil record - and yet here we find the presence of man, and an intelligent, shoe-wearing man at that. How could he have "evolved" from simple life, when the Cambrian prints testify that he is as old as life itself?

Dear Goldminer;
Actually, it was Dr. Melvin Cook who examined the print and not Dr. Clifford Burdick my friend. Also, the *footprint* has been determined to be a geological anamoly known as spalling. In fact, many similiar spalling patterns have been exhibited throughout the entire Cambrian Wheeler formation. Although the *footprint* is genuine, unfortunately it was not made by humaniods my friend.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Goldminer]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

OK, how about this.

Over a hundred years ago, in the 1850's, gold miners began digging tunnels into the sides and top of Table Mountain, northwest of Needles, California. Gold was discovered, but along with it were bones of extinct mastodons, mammoths, bison, tapirs, horses, rhinos, hippos and camels - all dating from the Pliocene. In 1863, a physician from nearby Sonora, Dr. R. Snell, began to collect specimens from the excavations. In that year, with his bare hands, he loosened from among the fossils a stone disc that appeared to have been used for grinding. But Dr. Snell was not the first, or last, to unearth mysterious objects from the mountain gravel: In 1853, Oliver W. Stevens made affidavit that he removed a large stone bowl from the lowest level tunnel; in 1857, the Honorable Paul Hubbs, of Vallejo, dug up part of a human crania from inside the Valentine shaft; and in 1862, Mr. Llewellyn Pierce also signed affidavit that he had found a stone mortar 200 feet in from the mouth of the same shaft. The most dramatic find, however, was reserved for a Mr. Mattison, one of the owners of the mines. In February of 1866, Mattison unearthed from beneath a layer of basalt an object which - because of the encrustation's - he first thought was the petrified root of a tree, but on closer examination discovered was a complete human skull. The miner sent the skull to the office of the State Survey in June of the same year. Eventually, the skull came into the possession of Dr. L. Wyman, of Harvard College, who removed the encasing material around the cranium. Dr. Wyman, and an associate named Professor Whitney, identified the skull as very modern in type, but also noted that, "the fragments of bones and gravel and shells were so wedged into the cavities of the skull that there could be no mistake as to the character of the situation in which it is found." The stickler was, however, that this meant the skull, along with all the artifacts found, were 12 million years old.

 

[Oroblanco]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

HOLA amigos,

Not to take issue with the finds you have posted Goldminer, but an age of 12 million years would not be impossible IMHO. The oldest "known" human remains of Cromagnon date only some 30,000 or 36,000 years, but science has not drawn any absolute lines for how old they may truly go to. New finds tomorrow may push the earliest "modern" humans even beyond 12 million years.

What I find more surprising is that these finds were in the Americas at all, when science has pronounced a limit on the arrival of the first humans MUCH sooner.
Oroblanco

 

[Shortstack]

Re: Parallel Universes, extra dimensions, & related UFO's, disappearances etc

Rebel, those planes found on the floor of ocean were proved to NOT be the Flt. 19 aircraft.

On one of the T.V. "specials" about that lost flight, had a very good "possible" location for the aircraft. There were supposed to have been a group of unidentified aircraft detected on radar, crossing the shoreline, headed west. The radar returns were lost over the Okefenokee Swamp area. Nine aircraft could easily be lost in that thick mess and the only way to find them would be to accidentally stumble over them.