Own up lads, who's nicked them

FISHEYE said:
The CIA does shipwreck salvage operations only for the gold.They dont mess with the silver or bronze cannons.I know 2 divers that have worked with them.1 wreck off the coast of Oregon and another in the Bahamas.This was several years ago.
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Two WWII warships and a submarine vanished off the sea floor. Dirk Pitt, read the story in the paper, thought it odd, but didn't give it a second thought, until he received the email from Admiral Sandecker.....
 

Recycling is something we need to do much more of. These were shallow enough that amateur divers found them. Out in international waters it's fair game.

We didn't respect these brave men enough to keep them out of harms way when they were alive. How many tanks with dead crew or crashed bombers were left where they fell as war graves?
 

How do you think the CIA funds its black projects?And its not tax payer money.
 

Back to the facts after Ag's feeble attempt at humour......sigh.

MISSING WARSHIPS IN THE JAVA SEA? NOT SO FAST.
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The headlines read like something out of an alien invasion film: “Mystery as wrecks of three Dutch WWII ships vanish from Java seabed.” Blame quickly went to “scrappers,” groups of war-grave targeting metal scavengers with the supposed ability to scavenge thousands of tons of scrap metal from depths exceeding 200 feet below the surface. Could this have theoretically happened? Perhaps. Is this the most likely explanation for the missing warships? Absolutely not.

First and foremost, illegal salvors do not respect war graves, especially in certain parts of the remote Pacific Ocean. Ship parts such as bronze propellers can be worth the incredibly dangerous operation necessary to pull them off the ocean bottom. There may be other valuable metals in the engine compartments worth the risks.

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But three or more armored warships, lock, stock and barrel? There’s been too little evidence to seriously suggest this ever happened. Even after the story became international news, no evidence of the scrap steel or other artifacts have turned up. (Also, keep in mind that most of this steel would have been in very poor condition.) More importantly, the investigation thus far has released no bottom imagery beyond sonar data; meaning that the entire “missing ship” postulation is far from proven.

missing-hms-execter-sonarHere’s the most likely scenario. First and foremost, yes, illegal salvors likely pillaged the propellers and other highly valuable components the wreck. Parts of the wrecks likely collapsed on their own as well due to age. However, the most likely cause of the destruction of these ships (which are likely not missing at all, but instead scattered across a larger debris field than they were previously) is commercial fishing activity.

Fish like to hide in wrecks. Fishermen like to catch fish. Heavy industrial fishing activity often involves towing heavy nets that drag across the ocean bottom as close to known wrecks as possible. They very often hit these wrecks, sometimes damaging their fishing gear but always damaging the wrecks. It’s a little hard to communicate the sheer scale and force of these trawling operations, but suffice to say they are more than powerful enough to tear apart even a heavily armored warship, bit by bit, year by by year.



I’m no defender of illegal salvors–not for a moment. However, if we blame somebody we should blame those actually responsible… after a proper investigation, of course.

Not to say I told you so or otherwise rub in my point, but I hope this incident is the final nail in the coffin of so-called “in situ” preservation model for shipwrecks. Here’s an excerpt from a previous post:

The truth is, “in-situ” preservation of shipwrecks at depth remains an unproven theory. Indeed, much of the evidence collected to date shows that fishing activity and natural degradation over time has a profoundly adverse effect on these critical sites, a situation compounded by incidents such as the BP oil spill. As technology to find and recover historic shipwrecks continues to evolve by leaps and bounds, we must recognize our collective responsibility to find, document, monitor and excavate these underwater cultural resources. Given the confluence of factors working against us, now may be the only chance we have.

So are these lost warships damaged or destroyed? Absolutely. But missing? Let’s do a little more research before we make such an incredible claim.
 

Logic is sound, captain. I concur.
 

Pete, in a few hundred passes and if each pass catches some of the wreck it will destroy it eventually ( pun intended) diving these wrecks you can actually wiggle huge chunks of steel which give way through 70 yrs of age....
 

Ive been long lining for 20 +years and I can attest to what can be drug up off the bottom besides fish. Including two 500 pound bombs and the tail section of another on 3 consecutive hooks. Other items include bicycles, anchors both modern and ancient, and lots of steel girder and plate. Once we brought up an old tea cup perfectly hooked through the handle. We caught an old pickup truck bed in 250 feet of water. We usually set 15 miles of line with 1000 -1500 hooks. I cant imagine what you would drag up in heavy trawl nets. I know fishing gear can pound a wreck in a relatively short time. 2-4 years of heavy fishing and you can barley read it on your bottom machine. We catch the bicycles every time we set that spot. Supposed to be a hatien barge that sank with a load of bikes there but nothing reads on the machine. 3-4 feet of yellowish mud there. We will clip 25 pound dumbbells on the main line every 30 or so hooks to keep everything anchored to the bottom and from shifting in the current. You can imagine how these dumbbells being drug over a wreck could pound it to pieces. Sometimes we use 1/4 inch stainless cable to fish with. this will seriously tear up a wreck. Even when we fish monofilament its 1400 pound test. Serious ass woopin fishing line !!! So there is a possibility of commercial fishing scattering these wrecks far and wide. Sometimes we will wrestle with a piece of wreck or rock for a half hour before it breaks free a half mile from the wreck site. Here it will sink back to the bottom buried in 3-4 feet of mud hidden from most bottom machines. Lots of hungry mouths to feed over there. Could be a combo of salvage and fishing scattering these wrecks. They are hungry for resources and food. That would include recycled metals and fish . someone has Got to put eyes on to know the truth. Going to be fishing sharks for government research in next couple weeks maybe well snag some wreck pieces for me to post up. We have wars with the shrimpers alot but when they here we are fishing 1/4 inch cable they leave the area quickly. Its a big mess when they drag over your long line, but in the end after they drag your line a couple miles they will cut the net and run or risk serious damage or even capsizing.
 

It is also worth noting that the wrecks were last seen in 2002. And this entire area was heavily disturbed by an earthquake and tsunami in December 2004. While the Java Sea was not directly hit by the bulk of the tsunami, it was still heavily affected. Which could have changed the sea bottom topography quite a bit and maybe even buried or moved these wrecks.

Or the hulls could have been broken up and salvaged over the course of the years between 2002 and the present. 14 years is a long time.
 

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