Over Run with Coyotes

[dieselram94]

View attachment 770615This is my little dog Pookie. Obviously she is no match against a coyote much less a pack of them. She goes out at night to go to the bathroom like every other dog in America. She should not have to be in danger because of uncontrolled predators...
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[DizzyDigger]

I trust their intent more than a person's. They live by instinct . They are not motivated by greed.
Doesn't matter whether it's a mouse or a grizzly bear , they don't have a sinful heart. Hence, they are pure.

Holly, bless your heart...I can certainly understand where you are coming from with that
comment. You hate to see any critter in pain, or suffering, and I can truly appreciate that.

In this case, I'm afraid though that your comment regarding these emotions does not fall
within the realities of nature.

Coyotes are not strictly instinctive, as they are highly intelligent predators that are
both very cunning and stealthy. Sinful heart? No, it's just the way the critter has
evolved, and they are one of the most efficient predators in N. America.

Greed? Not sure I'd call it that, but on many occasions I've seen where they've
gone through a flock of sheep, killing them in mass. A sheep rancher finding
15 dead sheep and another 30 maimed, injured and suffering doesn't much care
about how the coyote feels about it..he just wants it/them dead!

Domestic dogs (yep, Fido!) are probably worse killers than coyotes at times.
Unrestrained or free running domestic dogs will "pack up" at times (usually late
at night) and they can do just as much, or more damage than the coyotes do.
(In protecting sheep herds I've probably had to kill 5 dogs for every 1 coyote).

I too love to watch them play and hunt, and if the critter is out in the wilds
where they belong I have -0- reason to ever harm them, and instead take great
enjoyment at hearing them "talk" to each other across long distances.

Best way to stop predation on livestock is to add a couple donkey's
or an Ostrich to the herd. Feral donkey's can be bought cheap from the US
Gov't, and Ostrich are readily available on the livestock market. An Ostrich
will kill a coyote in a heartbeat if they get the chance, and so will the
wild donkey's (AKA: Jackasses).

Lately (past few years) I've spent my time working with feral cats in
the area, and have been able to socialize about a dozen of them and
found them good homes. A house cat that is born and bread in the wild
for generations is a tough critter to work with, but they, just like domestic
house cats, can appreciate love and a home just like any other once they
have learned that I'm not a threat to them. Takes months and years some
times to get one to come around, but when they do I've found they're the
best cats anyone could ask for.

Also got a half-dozen Raccoons that I've worked with for a couple years,
and while they are still 100% wild critters (as they should be) they also
know they can come up and take a treat out of my hand without fear.
Not a one has ever bothered my (formerly feral) cats, and Scruff (my
little buddy!) likes to chase them of off the porch..and he does, too!

 

[Peyton Manning]

Rather sad that you look at it this way Holly.... to trust an animals intent more that say, your parents... or your children (If you have any)

bart, that's getting personal and a pretty stupid thing to say. You should just shut up now and keep what dignity you have left.

 

[dieselram94]

Holly, bless your heart...I can certainly understand where you are coming from with that
comment. You hate to see any critter in pain, or suffering, and I can truly appreciate that.

In this case, I'm afraid though that your comment regarding these emotions does not fall
within the realities of nature.

Coyotes are not strictly instinctive, as they are highly intelligent predators that are
both very cunning and stealthy. Sinful heart? No, it's just the way the critter has
evolved, and they are one of the most efficient predators in N. America.

Greed? Not sure I'd call it that, but on many occasions I've seen where they've
gone through a flock of sheep, killing them in mass. A sheep rancher finding
15 dead sheep and another 30 maimed, injured and suffering doesn't much care
about how the coyote feels about it..he just wants it/them dead!

Domestic dogs (yep, Fido!) are probably worse killers than coyotes at times.
Unrestrained or free running domestic dogs will "pack up" at times (usually late
at night) and they can do just as much, or more damage than the coyotes do.
(In protecting sheep herds I've probably had to kill 5 dogs for every 1 coyote).

I too love to watch them play and hunt, and if the critter is out in the wilds
where they belong I have -0- reason to ever harm them, and instead take great
enjoyment at hearing them "talk" to each other across long distances.

Best way to stop predation on livestock is to add a couple donkey's
or an Ostrich to the herd. Feral donkey's can be bought cheap from the US
Gov't, and Ostrich are readily available on the livestock market. An Ostrich
will kill a coyote in a heartbeat if they get the chance, and so will the
wild donkey's (AKA: Jackasses).

Lately (past few years) I've spent my time working with feral cats in
the area, and have been able to socialize about a dozen of them and
found them good homes. A house cat that is born and bread in the wild
for generations is a tough critter to work with, but they, just like domestic
house cats, can appreciate love and a home just like any other once they
have learned that I'm not a threat to them. Takes months and years some
times to get one to come around, but when they do I've found they're the
best cats anyone could ask for.

Also got a half-dozen Raccoons that I've worked with for a couple years,
and while they are still 100% wild critters (as they should be) they also
know they can come up and take a treat out of my hand without fear.
Not a one has ever bothered my (formerly feral) cats, and Scruff (my
little buddy!) likes to chase them of off the porch..and he does, too!

This is our cat, rescued from inside a lobster trap at about four weeks old.

 

[Peyton Manning]

a cat that swims underwater? wow

 

[squiggy]

This is our cat, rescued from inside a lobster trap at about four weeks old.

That's a beautiful cat..is she or he a snowshoe? What's the story with the trap?

 

[dieselram94]

a cat that swims underwater? wow

No, she doesn't swim underwater. We live on the coast of Maine and lobster traps are stacked up everywhere for storage. She was found with two other kittens who had starved to death at about four weeks old. The animal control officer brought this one in to be put to sleep as she was very sick from starvation. My wife is a vet tech and brought her home. She is very healthy now.

 

[dieselram94]

That's a beautiful cat..is she or he a snowshoe? What's the story with the trap?

We think according to a few expert opinions that she is at least part rag doll. After she recovered from starvation and was a few months old my wife had her at the veterinarian office where she works and a client offered her a lot of money for her. Needless to say she kept the cat.

 

[dieselram94]

I forgot to mention this is also how she got her name "Splash"
I lost this naming battle after the Pookie incident. LOL!

 

[squiggy]

We think according to a few expert opinions that she is at least part rag doll. After she recovered from starvation and was a few months old my wife had her at the veterinarian office where she works and a client offered her a lot of money for her. Needless to say she kept the cat.

I believe rag dolls do not experience pain the way other breeds do...glad your wife kept her...cats are great!

 

[squiggy]

I forgot to mention this is also how she got her name "Splash"
I lost this naming battle after the Pookie incident. LOL!

Lol! I bet,! Did someone try to drown her,?

 

[Gold Maven]

I trust their intent more than a person's. they live by instinct . They are not motivated by greed. Doesn't matter wether it's a mouse or a grizzly bear , they don't have a sinful heart. Hence, they are pure.

I was involved in removing a pack of coyotes from a sheep farmer's land, and it's hard to believe coyotes aren't greedy or "sinful", after witnessing their carnage inflicted upon his flock in one night.

There were 8 dead with some guts pulled out and partially eaten, and 12 that had to be destroyed because of hamstring and other body parts ripped and torn.

The first night we snared 3, then 4 more over two weeks.

They live by instinct, but that instinct is to kill. There is a reason most states have an open season on them.

 

[squiggy]

I was involved in removing a pack of coyotes from a sheep farmer's land, and it's hard to believe coyotes aren't greedy or "sinful", after witnessing their carnage inflicted upon his flock in one night.

There were 8 dead with some guts pulled out and partially eaten, and 12 that had to be destroyed because of hamstring and other body parts ripped and torn.

The first night we snared 3, then 4 more over two weeks.

They live by instinct, but that instinct is to kill. There is a reason most states have an open season on them.

Instinct! Wild animals are wild animals!

 

[Holly_squirrel]

bart, that's getting personal and a pretty stupid thing to say. You should just shut up now and keep what dignity you have left.

Ty for defending me I just can't talk about animals ..... I'm deeply passionate about them and my claws come out when I defend them.

 

[dieselram94]

Lol! I bet,! Did someone try to drown her,?

No one tried to drown them as the trap was stacked with others on land in storage. But the animal control officer thought they were placed in the trap by someone so as to starve to death
Here is a picture of some traps stacked up for storage.

 

[Holly_squirrel]

Rather sad that you look at it this way Holly.... to trust an animals intent more that say, your parents... or your children (If you have any)

"People" in general... Not my own kin. I trust my own family without fail

 

[dieselram94]

I believe rag dolls do not experience pain the way other breeds do...glad your wife kept her...cats are great!

She is a super sweet cat, although she takes forever to accept new people. When visitors come she hides. My wife is annoyed though as the cat follows me around like a dog, sleeps with me and tends to be "my" cat more than "her" cat LOL!

 

[dieselram94]

Holly, not to change subjects but how is the electrolysis going?

 

[Holly_squirrel]

Holly, not to change subjects but how is the electrolysis going?

My legs have never been smoother . Oh you mean the rust electrolysis ... Lol. Well it'd probably go lovley if I found anything worth electrolyzing. Screws, nails , and 10,000 misc. tractor parts are losing their appeal. I seriously need to find somewhere more promising to dig .... I'm losing some of my Excitement about the whole thing. I covered up a hole I started today cause roots were in the way.... Another time I woulda made a tunnel under them to retrieve a square nail .

 

[Peyton Manning]

Ty for defending me I just can't talk about animals ..... I'm deeply passionate about them and my claws come out when I defend them.

no worries, he shouldn't ever bring your family into it. that's out of bounds