Old Multi-tool? Solve this and win a #2 Crotal bell !

[litefire56]

This was found at an old farm site. It has an anchor stamped on it and may be mfg. by Anchor Tools for maintenance on some type of small equipment. Any ideas?

*update*-- I appreciate all the great ideas on this tool. Whoever can correctly ID it, will get the #2 Crotal bell, which was dug about 2' away from the tool. Or you can receive prize B, half a dozen nudie tokens from my collection.

 

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[nhbenz]

It's a bicycle wrench FGS. The tapered center slot is to fit hex nuts of varying sizes that might be found on bicycles. Wrenches don't work on horse's nuts. The screwdriver bits are to fit different size screw slots. The hooked portion is for tire removal. Wasn't this was all covered a while ago?? Time to move on!! BTW, using an Ebay seller as a source of reliable information?!?!? Wow!!

My ebay source seems a little more reliable than you just saying its a bicycle wrench, or should we take your word for it since you proved it so well. Wrenches don't work on horses nuts but they do work on the old carbide lamps cowboys carried. i would love to see you try to remove a nut with the tappered center with no teeth on it. It won't work. Hooked portion for tire removal? Dang, might as well cut the tire off if you are going to use something that pointy. Back it up and find me proof of a tire removal tool with an anchor on and it will be put to rest.

I'm not disputing your theory (it has the best evidence yet), but yes they really did make alligator style wrenches without teeth. I agree it's a bad design, but they did exist.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

It seems that the small hex nut wrench is the only part that doesnt fit a horse pick.

 

[goldguru]

I agree with the manufacturer, but not the tool use. ebay is not a valid source. the other link gets its source from ebay too.

the company that manufactured these tools also made auto and other tools and parts.

My opinion as well.. it certainly isnt older the mid 1920's @ the latest. due to it being Fordged.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ive been trying to search key words "north & judd" and "bicycle" but I cannot find any bicycle tools.

 

[VERMONTPACKRAT]

Maybe the hex is not a wrench at all. Could it be a way to add a fancy hole ?



VPR

 

[truckinbutch]

It's a bicycle wrench FGS. The tapered center slot is to fit hex nuts of varying sizes that might be found on bicycles. Wrenches don't work on horse's nuts. The screwdriver bits are to fit different size screw slots. The hooked portion is for tire removal. Wasn't this was all covered a while ago?? Time to move on!! BTW, using an Ebay seller as a source of reliable information?!?!? Wow!!

My ebay source seems a little more reliable than you just saying its a bicycle wrench, or should we take your word for it since you proved it so well. Wrenches don't work on horses nuts but they do work on the old carbide lamps cowboys carried. i would love to see you try to remove a nut with the tappered center with no teeth on it. It won't work. Hooked portion for tire removal? Dang, might as well cut the tire off if you are going to use something that pointy. Back it up and find me proof of a tire removal tool with an anchor on and it will be put to rest.

You have lots of experience with calked draft horse shoes ? And whereinell did you ever hear that old time cowboys carried carbide lamps .....
Think you need to go to the back of the line and do some research , son .

 

[72cheyenne]

Re: Old Multi-tool?

Here's a shot of the stamped logo or trademark, and a close-up of the pointed end. I also checked the hex opening against a 1/4-20 bolt which has a 7/16" hex head, and the tool is slightly smaller. That would make the bike axle 1/4" dia. Kinda small I think....

If this was for a bicycle, it would have a much larger hex opening, most likely 1/2" or 9/16". Litefire56 say that it is smaller than 7/16" which would either be 3/8" or metric (which I doubt the metric). I have not seen a bicycle axle that would use that small of hardware, and if this tool in question was a bike wrench, the hex would be designed to fit the axle nut.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

2) The most common purpose for a wrench in a hoof tool is for shoe studs. There are a number of multi-tools that address this, but from what I can find, these are square headed, not hex.

They make hex horse shoe studs. But I know very little about them. http://images.google.com/imgres?img...t:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLR_en&sa=N&um=1

 

[litefire56]

Maybe the hex is not a wrench at all. Could it be a way to add a fancy hole ?



VPR

Funny that you mentioned this. When I described earlier that the hex hole was slightly smaller than 7/16", what it actually is, is 7/16" wide and a bit less than that high. The hole was not made even.

 

[Montana Jim]

This is marked solved... what did you decide it was?

 

[Goodyguy]

Don't tell me it was a combination horseshoe hoof pick bicycle tool

Actually it is a vintage 4 n 1 hoof pick.
here is a modern 3 n 1 model
https://www.shanestack.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-6341

GG~

 

[Jeep]

I have forwarded the photo to the New Britain, CT Industrial Museum as well as to Buckles International in Meriden CT, who acquired North and Judd in 1998, to see if they can help identify and define the uses for the tool.

I will post any reply I receive.

North and Judd had a fairly interesting history, including ties to William (Buffalo Bill) Cody.

http://www.nbim.org/

Diggem'

After seeing the other picture with the scale of the Hex opening I am confused. I will be really interested in the reply that you receive.

There is a distinct possibility of this being a hoof scraper.

These hoof scrapers and picks as well as bike combos and skate keys were stamped out in the millions.

I found this image of a hoof scraper/pick on an australian site and it really bears a good resemblance as far as shape to the tool in question.

 

[kirkwannem]

It's a bicycle wrench FGS. The tapered center slot is to fit hex nuts of varying sizes that might be found on bicycles. Wrenches don't work on horse's nuts. The screwdriver bits are to fit different size screw slots. The hooked portion is for tire removal. Wasn't this was all covered a while ago?? Time to move on!! BTW, using an Ebay seller as a source of reliable information?!?!? Wow!!

My ebay source seems a little more reliable than you just saying its a bicycle wrench, or should we take your word for it since you proved it so well. Wrenches don't work on horses nuts but they do work on the old carbide lamps cowboys carried. i would love to see you try to remove a nut with the tappered center with no teeth on it. It won't work. Hooked portion for tire removal? Dang, might as well cut the tire off if you are going to use something that pointy. Back it up and find me proof of a tire removal tool with an anchor on and it will be put to rest.

You have lots of experience with calked draft horse shoes ? And whereinell did you ever hear that old time cowboys carried carbide lamps .....
Think you need to go to the back of the line and do some research , son .

I dont know what a calked draft horse is. We only shoe our horses a few times a year for trail ride. Sorry about the cowboy comment, I just meant people who had horses used them lamps. Anyways I just got back from tractor supply store and bought a brand new HOOF PICK. The sticker is still on it where it says"Hoof pick with wrench" See pic. Do you see the hex wrenches on both sides. Was going to stop at the bycicle shop and ask for a similar tool but diden't want to get laughed at.

 

[litefire56]

Don't tell me it was a combination horseshoe hoof pick bicycle tool

Actually it is a vintage 4 n 1 hoof pick.
here is a modern 3 n 1 model
https://www.shanestack.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-6341

GG~

I think what clinches it that it is in fact a hoof pick is the description of the 3 in 1 tool.

1-Smooth, round tip for safe, deep cleaning of frog.
2-Wide scraper blade for cleaning hoof wall.
3-Flat tip for cleaning sole.

My tool has all these features. The hex hole? Well since its not true and doesn't fit a standard head, its probably a fancy hole to hang it up, but may have fit some type of hoof studs.

 

[Goodyguy]

Don't tell me it was a combination horseshoe hoof pick bicycle tool

Actually it is a vintage 4 n 1 hoof pick.
here is a modern 3 n 1 model
https://www.shanestack.com/shop/index.php?page=shop-flypage-6341

GG~

I think what clinches it that it is in fact a hoof pick is the description of the 3 in1 tool.

1-Smooth, round tip for safe, deep cleaning of frog.
2-Wide scraper blade for cleaning hoof wall.
3-Flat tip for cleaning sole.

My tool has all these features. The hex hole? Well since its not true and doesn't fit a standard head, its probably a fancy hole to hang it up, but may have fit some type of hoof studs.

Oh it's a hoof tool alright.
I think kirkwannem had the first credible ID.

GG~

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Old Multi-tool?

That wasn't a guess

it's a fact. I had one many years ago

Those are not hooks, their to lever the tire out and for installing the tire.

Nowadays you got the plastic ones.

The nut remover was all you needed back then. nowadays you need a whole toolbox to work on a bike.

I dont know how many times I have heard this here at TN that someone was absolutely sure of an ID. You really need a pic and link to support your claim and it was great of you to keep searching and admit that you might be wrong.

Great work everybody.

 

[diggemall]

I dont know what a calked draft horse is. We only shoe our horses a few times a year for trail ride. Sorry about the cowboy comment, I just meant people who had horses used them lamps. Anyways I just got back from tractor supply store and bought a brand new HOOF PICK. The sticker is still on it where it says"Hoof pick with wrench" See pic. Do you see the hex wrenches on both sides. Was going to stop at the bycicle shop and ask for a similar tool but diden't want to get laughed at.

The sticker doesn't say so, but you got yourself a girth tightener, too ! (The little pins go in the hole where the buckle pin goes, and you use it like a prybar to tighten straps)

I'm anxious to see if I get any reply, but I'm pretty much convinced it is a hoof pick / multi tool. Let's hope they can shed some light on the tapered slot and the hex hole.

Diggem'

 

[prolab69]

When i was about 14 i used to clean stables, the shoe guy used to come and set new shoes on his horses, he had about 5 of those pics in his toolbox of different sizes.

 

[truckinbutch]

When I was 8 my training in hot forging draft horse , saddle horse ,and mule shoes started . 50 years
later and I still can't positively identify that as a hoof pick ......
I still have to clean up behind the horses I am responsible for . Crap happens ...

 

[diggemall]

Well, here is what I got back from Buckles International (North and Judd owner)

My query:

I am hoping that someone within your organization can help identify an item that was (presumeably) once manufactured by North & Judd

Would be interested to know what each of the “tools” it incorporates was intended for.

A photo of the item is attached – any assistance would be greatly appreciated

Many Thanks

Wayne

Their reply:

Dear Wayne;

The North & Judd item is a "Hoof Pick". Hoof picks are used to clean dirt and stones out of horse hooves.

Buckles International



Not quite as enlightening as I had hoped, but does confirm "Hoof Pick".

(No word back from the Industrial Museum, yet)

Diggem'