Old coin found at the site were I found my sword hilt

[kieser sousa/rip]

Hi all. I whent back to the site today to see if I could find the rest of that sword hilt.....no luck on that but I did find a 1797 LC and another copper coin that is smaller than a LC.It's in pretty rough shape but I can make out the outline of a bust on one side....look familiar to anyone ?

 

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[Silver Searcher]

here is what a george III looks like

That's only one of many.

I think it might be this that would be special.

SS

 

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[Don in SJ]

The only Halfpenny size that would be close is the KGI Halfpenny. If it is an Irish one, a possibility, but it would be a counterfeit , undersized, since they are in the same range as a US Large Cent also. One possibility and I am providing size comparison photos of some of my finds is a Woods Hibernia, again, the size counts in helping solve this UNK.

Don

 

[Iron Patch]

here is what a george III looks like

That's only one of many.

I think it might be this that would be special.

SS

Funny I thought the same thing about the crown but too tough to call.

 

[Iron Patch]

The only Halfpenny size that would be close is the KGI Halfpenny. If it is an Irish one, a possibility, but it would be a counterfeit , undersized, since they are in the same range as a US Large Cent also. One possibility and I am providing size comparison photos of some of my finds is a Woods Hibernia, again, the size counts in helping solve this UNK.

Don

You know, I could go the other way on this. Since it's a smaller bust it just might be a post dump issure Geo. I. A thinner coin than the 1717 you posted. William seems to take up more surface area on the coin.

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Thanks y'all. I cant find my tapemeasure anywere.....probaly buried under a pile of rusty stuff somewere. It is mabey a mm smaller...not much....just abit smaller.It's also slightly thinner than a LC. I had it in some oil but will try more pic's. I also found another similar coin at the same site the other day that is the same size....I'll get a pic of that as well.

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Ok here's what I got.The coin I found the other day (last pic) is the same size only thicker than the one I found today.

 

[Iron Patch]

Seeing that pic I think I will switch to Geo. I. even though the letters aren't really there, does seem like the spacing is going on.

The new one is a William III.... final answer!

 

[Don in SJ]

The telltale Ribbon is for sure a William III, which is how they usually look whereas the other copper, is unlike any of the many William IIIs I have for how they held up in the ground, unless a cast counterfeit, which your UNK appears not to be, all of my ground found William IIIs held up good corrosion wise, just very heavily worn, almost always smooth on reverse with left side of Obverse last to be worn off, thus the Ribbon usually stays visible.

LOL, you need to buy a cheap digital caliper for about 20 bucks or at least a good ruler that measures in mm if you keep on finding these oldies it will come in handy.....

Don

 

[Iron Patch]

The telltale Ribbon is for sure a William III, which is how they usually look whereas the other copper, is unlike any of the many William IIIs I have for how they held up in the ground, unless a cast counterfeit, which your UNK appears not to be, all of my ground found William IIIs held up good corrosion wise, just very heavily worn, almost always smooth on reverse with left side of Obverse last to be worn off, thus the Ribbon usually stays visible.

LOL, you need to buy a cheap digital caliper for about 20 bucks or at least a good ruler that measures in mm if you keep on finding these oldies it will come in handy.....

Don

It's even easier than that... The "S".

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

The telltale Ribbon is for sure a William III, which is how they usually look whereas the other copper, is unlike any of the many William IIIs I have for how they held up in the ground, unless a cast counterfeit, which your UNK appears not to be, all of my ground found William IIIs held up good corrosion wise, just very heavily worn, almost always smooth on reverse with left side of Obverse last to be worn off, thus the Ribbon usually stays visible.

LOL, you need to buy a cheap digital caliper for about 20 bucks or at least a good ruler that measures in mm if you keep on finding these oldies it will come in handy.....

Don

Thanks Don....I have a tapemeasure.....rulers....I even found a scalpal handle at the site I found these coins....with measurments in mm printed on it......but do ya think I could find any of the darn things....nope ! lol

 

[BuckleBoy]

The telltale Ribbon is for sure a William III, which is how they usually look whereas the other copper, is unlike any of the many William IIIs I have for how they held up in the ground, unless a cast counterfeit, which your UNK appears not to be, all of my ground found William IIIs held up good corrosion wise, just very heavily worn, almost always smooth on reverse with left side of Obverse last to be worn off, thus the Ribbon usually stays visible.

LOL, you need to buy a cheap digital caliper for about 20 bucks or at least a good ruler that measures in mm if you keep on finding these oldies it will come in handy.....

Don

Heck, you don't even have to buy a ruler. http://iruler.net/


Nicest thing is you won't misplace that one.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Seeing that pic I think I will switch to Geo. I. even though the letters aren't really there, does seem like the spacing is going on.

The new one is a William III.... final answer!

The last two pictures Kieser posted shows the sizes a;most identical, yet Don pictures show a clear size difference between the G1 Woods half penny, and dump issue, against the size of the W111. I'm still leaning towards W111, but perhaps counterfeight.

SS

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Good one Buckleboy.

Ok now I'm kinda cunfused Are y'all saying that the last one is a Willim III or a KG ? The first one I know is in pretty bad shape but doesent quite match the last one...the ribbon is different than the last one.....also who's on first ?

 

[Don in SJ]

Good one Buckleboy.

Ok now I'm kinda cunfused Are y'all saying that the last one is a Willim III or a KG ? The first one I know is in pretty bad shape but doesent quite match the last one...the ribbon is different than the last one.....also who's on first ?

Watch that ruler site, on my screen the size is incorrect for my monitor!!! And I ain't changing the settings LOL. If you use it follow their instructions, just don't assume it is correct size.

The new one you added to this post, with detail, is a William III for reasons stated, mainly the very obvious Ribbon which is unique to them. The UNK coin is not a William III, the bust size is smaller as IP said, plus other reasons.

It still could be a KGI, the one I posted is my smallest one, the 1717, but the later years are bigger, and I will look later, going out pingin for the morning.

Don

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Good one Buckleboy.

Ok now I'm kinda cunfused Are y'all saying that the last one is a Willim III or a KG ? The first one I know is in pretty bad shape but doesent quite match the last one...the ribbon is different than the last one.....also who's on first ?

Watch that ruler site, on my screen the size is incorrect for my monitor!!! And I ain't changing the settings LOL. If you use it follow their instructions, just don't assume it is correct size.

The new one you added to this post, with detail, is a William III for reasons stated, mainly the very obvious Ribbon which is unique to them. The UNK coin is not a William III, the bust size is smaller as IP said, plus other reasons.

It still could be a KGI, the one I posted is my smallest one, the 1717, but the later years are bigger, and I will look later, going out pingin for the morning.

Don

Thanks Don.Yeah I figgered that on the ruler....thought it dident look right...but I did find my scalpal handle that I found out diggin the other day....Being a medical instrument I would hope that one would be correct. Good luck on your hunt.....I just got back myself....got skunked.....but there's allways tomorrow !

 

[Don in SJ]

I had printed out a few years ago from the Notre Dame coin site a Weight Range and Diameter page for the REGAL British Coppers.

I suggest anyone who finds colonials might one to print out that page also and keep it handy for reference if you find a hard to ID one.

But for this post here are the William III stats and KGI stats:

William & Mary copper: 139.6 - 182.0 grains 28 - 30mm diameter
William III copper: 136.5 - 180.7 grains 28 - 29.5mm diameter

KGI 1717-1718 type 1 144.0 - 160.0 grains 25 - 26.5mm diameter
KGI 1719-1724 type 2 144.0 - 160.0 grains 27.5 - 30mm diameter

Note same weight range for type 1 and 2 KGI coppers, however the type two (1719-24) is larger and has to be thinner to be in same weight range.

Now most ground founds will be on a lighter side due to wear, but not much more.

 

[kieser sousa/rip]

Thanks Don.This is good to know......seeing as how I will be finding many more of these in the future.