OLD BENTWOOD BOXS MARK THE LOST SPANISH MOUND

[Charlie P. (NY)]

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May not be the cure to cancer, but if the visitors die or come down with pneumonia or tuberculosis we can chalk one up to hispoplasmosis - cave sickess - and the source of cursed caves and tomb legends. The spores of the cave fungus Histoplasma capulatum can be fatal if inhaled.

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?cave+sickness

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?Histoplasma+capsulatum

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?Histoplasmosis


Or, if these were the bodies of one of histories influenza or tuburculosis outbreaks you may find out why there are more than ethical and moral reasons not to disturb the dead. Sometimes the boogeyman can be very, very tiny.

 

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[BioProfessor]

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This thread has more convolutions that a politician trying to explain his position and actions on any subject of importance. And now we throw in a cure for cancer.

I'm too dizzy. I give up. Sorry but I just can't follow a road map that has been cut into pieces and put back together not just incorrectly but with pieces of maps of other countries included.

Over and out.

Daryl

 

[hmmm]

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Thanks for that charlie, its not news to me, i ware a face mask and touch no bones. I do feel the sites are direticly connected to the mountain depicted in the caves. Because i have an intrest in the mountain, i want to know what the connection is. the picture below is a old miners hand drill, it is in the cave with the shoe , it is a pointer and points direstly at the mines on the mountain.

"Or, if these were the bodies of one of histories influenza or tuburculosis outbreaks you may find out why there are more than ethical and moral reasons not to disturb the dead. Sometimes the boogeyman can be very, very tiny."


The big question from the beginning is , "who made the boxes and why?
on thing for sure , the boxes are all the same and where probobly placed at the same time by the same people.
I garentee, these are not from desease, if they where, there would be more of the bodies. and they would not display them as a skull and cross bones.
I can assure you ,the only ones i know, moving the bones are the natives.
profesor , dont leave , ill try clean it up. but i am not as edicuated as some , I will agree , my work needs editing.

I also want to find out about the badge, i lost it trying to get some archeologists who where working in the area to come with me.they laughed at me and as a result , i lost the badge.
I have good pictures of it, the first one is the back of the badge.
the second picture is a close up of the king and queen and the third is some righting just below the king and queen.
the badge was not with the boxes but i feel is connected to the caves.

 

[CRUSADER]

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Is it a badge? Looks like the impression of something??

Doesn't look like any British King & Queen that I recognise. (helps with elimination)

 

[hmmm]

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King George V and Queen Mary?

http://www.rubylane.com/shops/molotov/item/BG178

Tony

WOW,   I see it , the kings mustache and the queens crown, looks like the picture of them from 1910, the image of the king on the front of the badge looks  fat  , and king george 3 was a little over weight.  but Im going with george third. king edwards son i think. now the big question , who wore the badge at the time it was lost
This realy puts a spin on the local history.

 

[hmmm]

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Hiding this possible cure for cancer is what we should be ashamed of.

the real medicinal lose is in the forests that where logged. According to old willy, the shaman knew of a tiny white flower , found on 1 of the islands. he said "it is the cure for cataracts". who knows what else.
this area is very unique, its a refugium.

 

[wirelessworldinc]

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I have enjoyed this topic. I say get the MD out and detect everywhere. As long as the bones are left alone I don't think you are hurting anything. It is no different from me metal detecting and arrowhead hunting in areas where I know that indians have lived and died. Everywhere I look to MD is where people have lived and died. Even MDing a burned down house that somebody may have died and had never been recovered. What is the difference. I don't go looking at a site where a house burned down with the intention of finding bones but if I did I would leave them alone.

 

[imafishingnutt]

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Well if I may I would like to make a sugjestion,
Have you ever heard of streangth in numbers.
Or I have a few friends in high places
You could tell me the town or county this is in whats state or country.
and I will see what I can do about getting someone down there to investigate this for you

Your call im sure other Tneters would be willing to assist in getting some one there that knows what they are doing.

What do you say
REMEMBER STREANGTH IN NUMBERS>

 

[Copperhead]

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I've also found this thread interesting....As has been mentioned, it would be REALLY interesting to hear the WHOLE story from beginning to end...but I guess that not gonna happen...Many, many posts ago I asked what the purpose of your adventure is...and I don't think I ever got an answer..are you "treasure" hunting , trying to save history, or both? if the answer is both...the results you seek may not be attainable..

 

[hmmm]

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I took the george and mary jubliee picture and inverted it, as if you are looking at the back, then i compared it with the back of the badge. could be.
this stash is a lagit find, wraped in a cloth, buried just under the surface of the ground. way to go mxt, summer 2006, the coins are from the king george 5th era.1908 to 1925  silver, canadain and american, dimes kickles and quarters, around fifty.  copperhead Prity sure i pm you with the answer.
                         what intreges me is the holes in the canadain nickles.
                         the youn lo tong po 1408 coin had the same hole. 
                         could be another peice to the puzzel.
                     

 

[A. Grignon]

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Those items in your hand ....were they in the bone dry cave as well?

 

[imafishingnutt]

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I have made contact with a historian in your erea
he cant point you in the direction you want to go for preservation.
and is very interested..
ill be contacting you on this thread as needed OK
All will stay private as to who you are unless you want to talk with this gentalmen.
he will respect your privacy.
and is NOT i repeat NOT a treasure hunter.
he is out for history and aims to preserve.
ima

 

[imafishingnutt]

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After I Talked with the Historian about your find
and sent him the link to tnet
here is his reply.


Hi Rick,

After reading that forum, "a bit confusing" is putting it mildly. The
story changes every time hmmm says something, some of the photos are
obviously Photoshopped, and the discussion about what's in the cave
is just bizarre. I spent the first 40 years of my life in area where
he claims the cave is, and if he really wanted anyone to look at them
he'd quickly have a long list.

Murray

ExploreNorth.com
Discover the circumpolar North, from Alaska to Greenland and Siberia
http://www.explorenorth.com

 

[hmmm]

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Those items in your hand ....were they in the bone dry cave as well?

they came from a over hang, not dry, lots of drips. no bones at all.
one thing to note , there is over 30 caves with the heads and boards in them.

 

[hmmm]

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After I Talked with the Historian about your find
and sent him the link to tnet
here is his reply.
Hi Rick,
After reading that forum, "a bit confusing" is putting it mildly. The
story changes every time hmmm says something, some of the photos are
obviously Photoshopped, and the discussion about what's in the cave
is just bizarre. I spent the first 40 years of my life in area where
he claims the cave is, and if he really wanted anyone to look at them
he'd quickly have a long list.
Murray

ExploreNorth.com
Discover the circumpolar North, from Alaska to Greenland and Siberia
http://www.explorenorth.com

thanks fishnut, I am desprate for help, 23 years is a long time to try get help.
this picture is the back of the boy in the box, skull and cross bones. . maybe the skull and cross bones mean , danger. I hope its not a warning for the cave cancer.

on a good note, the winter springs are bittin.  thay are so good to eat and fun to catch.

 

[Ralphw]

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maybe you could do a chronological outline starting from the year you first found the caves

1980


1981


1982


etc


type in when where and what you found and who you contacted,

just text, no pictures, keep it simple and don't leave anything out

make sure when you refer to something you always use the same name for it
don't have to be perfect, just the best you can remember.
when you refer to an item you came across use the same names as you use when you name the pictures
you need a basic outline so we all can try and get a better grasp on what you have there.

if you can get a good outline, I will offer my help in putting together a website for you that is orderly and easier to follow.
I wish i was closer because i would love to see this for myself

 

[CRUSADER]

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maybe you could do a chronological outline starting from the year you first found the caves

1980


1981


1982


etc


type in when where and what you found and who you contacted,

just text, no pictures, keep it simple and don't leave anything out

make sure when you refer to something you always use the same name for it
don't have to be perfect, just the best you can remember.
when you refer to an item you came across use the same names as you use when you name the pictures
you need a basic outline so we all can try and get a better grasp on what you have there.

if you can get a good outline, I will offer my help in putting together a website for you that is orderly and easier to follow.
I wish i was closer because i would love to see this for myself

I agree although I would have trouble remembering what I ate last week.

Photocopy a map & for your reference & number the caves 1-30 (or whatever the number is). Then refer to Cave 1 had...(insert finds & dates, & internal maps)...... Then everytime you mention it we will know which cave you are refering to without having to know where it is.

 

[Ralphw]

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good idea

 

[imafishingnutt]

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HMMM:

The following information is from a gentleman with rather good credentials over in your area.

I read most of it and I am very skeptical.

So much confusion has been introduced by the finder, one concludes that if there ever was any interesting history it has been obfuscated by treasure fevered indirections. I see a much embarrassing evidence of intentional fabrications, which appear to utilize human remains not older than several decades and are not very well thought out assuming the intent is to recreate the 'Piltdown Man'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man) Nothing here I would spend much of my time on.

I have a lot of experience dealing with wishful gold fevered mind sets. Desperation, obsession, fabrications, and denial of fact are common tools of the sensation seeker. These things arise in individuals from ignorance and also frustration in dealing with authorities. I have experienced these same mindsets in established intellectuals; so there is little baseline for authoritative reasoning, or even historical fact.

Military secrecy was rampant during the times of early European explorations of this coast, and it often seems to me that these traditions are still retroactively enforced to this day for whatever political reasons our social comptrollers may conceive..

The only reliable tools available are careful record keeping, scientific method, and independent labratory analysis.

It would take a huge, previously untouched find; well documented and professionally excavated, to upturn the collective accepted Spanish insignificance in the history of this coastline. We shall see if any such discoveries are made, and we can only hope such a discoverer has the presence of mind to proceed in scientific fashion.

Ralphw, has given you a great opportunity to decipher this mess. Others have spent considerable amount of time following your finds and unfortunately you have not provided the information the forum members have requested in order to give you a hand.

Stop going off on tangents, such as Cancer Cures, Movies, Books, and Millions $ to be had. Along with your secretiveness, as those types of comments only undermine your credibility.

Tony
This makes two people that know about this kind of stuff who have offered thier oppinion.
so I have one thing to say to this post
DITTO

 

[hmmm]

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maybe you could do a chronological outline starting from the year you first found the caves
1980
1981
1982
etc
type in when where and what you found and who you contacted,

just text, no pictures, keep it simple and don't leave anything out

make sure when you refer to something you always use the same name for it
don't have to be perfect, just the best you can remember.
when you refer to an item you came across use the same names as you use when you name the pictures
you need a basic outline so we all can try and get a better grasp on what you have there.

if you can get a good outline, I will offer my help in putting together a website for you that is orderly and easier to follow.
I wish i was closer because i would love to see this for myself

1986   read the koa legend and figured it had to be the mine mountain    depicted in the  cave.   Found the summer solstice cave

1987 the loggers logged over and burried the placer pitt.
1988  Turned down minning company offer.     they said put enviromental and  history  asaide and lets mine.1993  after years of being told "there is no history in the area" I went to ask  the  enviromentlists to help.
1995  met old willy  took him to the first cave.   see "the last shaman"
1996 logging started in the swamps.
1997  took old willy to the other solstice cave.
2002  found cave with spanish mound.
2004 found boy in the box, jimmy hawkins.
2006 bought mxt.  found the old home steads



if this works, ill finish later.