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OBAMA TELLS BROS: I'VE GOT YOUR BACK

Well, why don't we just call for Sharia law in the USA???

Obama Call for Muslim Brotherhood Role Overtaken in Egypt

Obama Call for Muslim Brotherhood Role Overtaken in Egypt - Bloomberg

The Obama administration’s call for an “inclusive” political process in Egypt with a role for the Muslim Brotherhood was all but overtaken by clashes in the streets of Cairo.

Violent protests today over the military’s ouster of President Mohamed Mursi raised fresh doubts about prospects for an eventual accommodation that would let the Islamic organization that backed Mursi compete in new elections.

An anti-Mursi protester is carried away after allegedly being shot by Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Tahrir Square during fighting between the two camps in Cairo on July 5, 2013. Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

People celebrate in Tahrir Square as a military helicopter flies overhead in Cairo on July 5, 2013. Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

While President Barack Obama’s administration has stopped short of condemning the July 3 military takeover, it has called on Egyptian leaders to pursue “a transparent political process that is inclusive of all parties and groups,” including “avoiding any arbitrary arrests of Mursi and his supporters,” Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said yesterday in a statement.

The administration has urged the Egyptian military to stop using heavy-handed tactics, according to two U.S. officials who asked not to be identified commenting on the private communications. They said the administration is concerned that some in the military may want to provoke the Islamists to violence and provide a rationale for crushing the movement once and for all.

Such a move would fail and probably prompt a shift to al-Qaeda type terrorist tactics by extremists in the Islamic movement in Egypt and beyond, the U.S. officials said.

Three people were killed and 20 people injured today outside the Republican Guards headquarters in the capital, Health Ministry spokesman Yehya Moussa said by phone. Security forces there fired at pro-Mursi demonstrators attempting to march on the compound. An additional two people died in North Sinai, Moussa said.

The Muslim Brotherhood had appealed for peaceful demonstrations following the crackdown on its leadership, and its supreme guide, Mohammed Badie, spoke at a pro-Mursi rally, denying reports in state-run media that he had been arrested. The military-appointed government had said it would respect such protests.

Locking out the Muslim Brotherhood from the early elections promised by the military “would be a cure worse than the ill, almost certainly driving Islamist groups underground and giving rise to a generation of radicalized Islamists, in Egypt and beyond, who will have lost faith in peaceful, democratic change,” the International Crisis Group, a New York-based organization that offers recommendations to policy makers, said in a July 3 statement.

A crackdown on the Brotherhood by Egyptian authorities in the early 1950s contributed to its radicalization. After an army coup ousted Egypt’s monarchy in 1952, the Brotherhood was accused of trying to assassinate the president. The party was banned and thousands of its members were tortured, imprisoned and held for years.

Members of the group counseled a young Osama bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, was a member of the Brotherhood before joining al-Qaeda. Ayman al Zawahiri, the current al-Qaeda leader, also was a member.

The Brotherhood faced repeated crackdowns under successive Egyptian presidents until the revolt that led the military to topple authoritarian President Hosni Mubarak in 2011 opened the door for it to compete and win a democratic election.

Now “the Islamists feel very much that they’ve been deprived of a legitimately won election” said Michele Dunne, who heads the Middle East program at the Atlantic Council, a Washington policy group.

While the Brotherhood hasn’t used violence in a long while, Dunne said in an interview, “some of their allies -- Salafi or jihadi groups -- could turn to violence” more readily, she said.

The Obama administration has avoided describing the military takeover in Egypt as a coup because that could force a cutoff in $1.55 billion in annual U.S. aid to Egypt. A U.S. law bars “any assistance to the government of any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by a military coup d’etat or decree,” or a coup “in which the military plays a decisive role.”

The administration previously has sought to avert provisions restricting aid to Egypt. In March, the State Department let assistance continue despite conditions imposed by Congress that the country demonstrate democratic progress. The State Department cited national-security interests, while administration officials also said the potential loss of thousands of U.S. jobs was a consideration.

Suppression of the Brotherhood also would raise new doubts about Egypt’s continuing efforts to negotiate terms of a possible $4.8 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund.

An IMF spokeswoman, who asked not to be further identified, said in an e-mail on July 1 that the fund was following developments closely. The spokeswoman reiterated the IMF’s call for Egypt to develop and implement a homegrown program to resolve economic and financial challenges facing the country.

As Egypt seeks a transition to democracy, it’s hobbled by the lack of a road map to follow, according to Amy Hawthorne, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and a former State Department official who worked on the country’s transition after Mubarak’s ouster.

First, the military made an arrangement with the Islamists to the exclusion of other groups in Egypt, she said.

“Now we might see the military doing a deal with non-Islamist groups and excluding the Islamists,” Hawthorne said. “The only way Egypt is going to be able” to establish democracy “is if all groups agree on the basic rules of the game.”
 

When does he say If I had a son he would be just like them????
 

How many millions of bucks did he give that idiot......... (guess it is ok, as long as we are not letting our troops have anything extra!)
 

Well, why don't we just call for Sharia law in the USA???

Obama Call for Muslim Brotherhood Role Overtaken in Egypt

Obama Call for Muslim Brotherhood Role Overtaken in Egypt - Bloomberg

The Obama administration’s call for an “inclusive” political process in Egypt with a role for the Muslim Brotherhood was all but overtaken by clashes in the streets of Cairo.

Violent protests today over the military’s ouster of President Mohamed Mursi raised fresh doubts about prospects for an eventual accommodation that would let the Islamic organization that backed Mursi compete in new elections.

An anti-Mursi protester is carried away after allegedly being shot by Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Tahrir Square during fighting between the two camps in Cairo on July 5, 2013. Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

People celebrate in Tahrir Square as a military helicopter flies overhead in Cairo on July 5, 2013. Photographer: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

While President Barack Obama’s administration has stopped short of condemning the July 3 military takeover, it has called on Egyptian leaders to pursue “a transparent political process that is inclusive of all parties and groups,” including “avoiding any arbitrary arrests of Mursi and his supporters,” Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said yesterday in a statement.

The administration has urged the Egyptian military to stop using heavy-handed tactics, according to two U.S. officials who asked not to be identified commenting on the private communications. They said the administration is concerned that some in the military may want to provoke the Islamists to violence and provide a rationale for crushing the movement once and for all.

Such a move would fail and probably prompt a shift to al-Qaeda type terrorist tactics by extremists in the Islamic movement in Egypt and beyond, the U.S. officials said.

Three people were killed and 20 people injured today outside the Republican Guards headquarters in the capital, Health Ministry spokesman Yehya Moussa said by phone. Security forces there fired at pro-Mursi demonstrators attempting to march on the compound. An additional two people died in North Sinai, Moussa said.

The Muslim Brotherhood had appealed for peaceful demonstrations following the crackdown on its leadership, and its supreme guide, Mohammed Badie, spoke at a pro-Mursi rally, denying reports in state-run media that he had been arrested. The military-appointed government had said it would respect such protests.

Locking out the Muslim Brotherhood from the early elections promised by the military “would be a cure worse than the ill, almost certainly driving Islamist groups underground and giving rise to a generation of radicalized Islamists, in Egypt and beyond, who will have lost faith in peaceful, democratic change,” the International Crisis Group, a New York-based organization that offers recommendations to policy makers, said in a July 3 statement.

A crackdown on the Brotherhood by Egyptian authorities in the early 1950s contributed to its radicalization. After an army coup ousted Egypt’s monarchy in 1952, the Brotherhood was accused of trying to assassinate the president. The party was banned and thousands of its members were tortured, imprisoned and held for years.

Members of the group counseled a young Osama bin Laden in Saudi Arabia, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, was a member of the Brotherhood before joining al-Qaeda. Ayman al Zawahiri, the current al-Qaeda leader, also was a member.

The Brotherhood faced repeated crackdowns under successive Egyptian presidents until the revolt that led the military to topple authoritarian President Hosni Mubarak in 2011 opened the door for it to compete and win a democratic election.

Now “the Islamists feel very much that they’ve been deprived of a legitimately won election” said Michele Dunne, who heads the Middle East program at the Atlantic Council, a Washington policy group.

While the Brotherhood hasn’t used violence in a long while, Dunne said in an interview, “some of their allies -- Salafi or jihadi groups -- could turn to violence” more readily, she said.

The Obama administration has avoided describing the military takeover in Egypt as a coup because that could force a cutoff in $1.55 billion in annual U.S. aid to Egypt. A U.S. law bars “any assistance to the government of any country whose duly elected head of government is deposed by a military coup d’etat or decree,” or a coup “in which the military plays a decisive role.”

The administration previously has sought to avert provisions restricting aid to Egypt. In March, the State Department let assistance continue despite conditions imposed by Congress that the country demonstrate democratic progress. The State Department cited national-security interests, while administration officials also said the potential loss of thousands of U.S. jobs was a consideration.

Suppression of the Brotherhood also would raise new doubts about Egypt’s continuing efforts to negotiate terms of a possible $4.8 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund.

An IMF spokeswoman, who asked not to be further identified, said in an e-mail on July 1 that the fund was following developments closely. The spokeswoman reiterated the IMF’s call for Egypt to develop and implement a homegrown program to resolve economic and financial challenges facing the country.

As Egypt seeks a transition to democracy, it’s hobbled by the lack of a road map to follow, according to Amy Hawthorne, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council and a former State Department official who worked on the country’s transition after Mubarak’s ouster.

First, the military made an arrangement with the Islamists to the exclusion of other groups in Egypt, she said.

“Now we might see the military doing a deal with non-Islamist groups and excluding the Islamists,” Hawthorne said. “The only way Egypt is going to be able” to establish democracy “is if all groups agree on the basic rules of the game.”

Good article.

Your title and comment about sharia law seem very random though. Nothing to do with the article.

Why do you often post articles and try to put such an extreme twist on them?

Might be better to just post the article/information and allow people to decide for themselves how they will react to the information being conveyed instead of trying to manipulate their emotions for them.
 

Doesn't even sound like they're going to have Sharia Law in Egypt.
 

Democracy is good, if other people agree with us. If not, we should exclude them. Is that REALLY the American democratic model? Silliness.

The Muslim Brotherhood absolutely must be included in Egyptian democracy. If included, they'll be brought toward the mainstream. If not included, they'll simply revert to more covert, destructive tactics. History has given us enough lesson to be sure of the latter.

And I'm sick and tired of this nonsense about Obama or the US giving money to back Mursi. Ridiculous. Read up on the Camp David Accords and how the money is distributed. $1.5B in aid, of which ~$1.3B goes to the Egyptian Military (you know, the ones that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood). Nearly all of that funding is "tied aid," which is dictated by the agreements to be spent with American companies. It's almost like the money never leaves the US ... it just goes from the taxpayers directly to the US military contractors.

Misinformation, despite legitimate informational resources, is rampant in the US. Incredible that such could be the case.
 

Democracy is good, if other people agree with us. If not, we should exclude them. Is that REALLY the American democratic model? Silliness.

The Muslim Brotherhood absolutely must be included in Egyptian democracy. If included, they'll be brought toward the mainstream. If not included, they'll simply revert to more covert, destructive tactics. History has given us enough lesson to be sure of the latter.

And I'm sick and tired of this nonsense about Obama or the US giving money to back Mursi. Ridiculous. Read up on the Camp David Accords and how the money is distributed. $1.5B in aid, of which ~$1.3B goes to the Egyptian Military (you know, the ones that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood). Nearly all of that funding is "tied aid," which is dictated by the agreements to be spent with American companies. It's almost like the money never leaves the US ... it just goes from the taxpayers directly to the US military contractors.

Misinformation, despite legitimate informational resources, is rampant in the US. Incredible that such could be the case.

Ammonhotep, I know what you mean. If anyone wishes to learn a bit more about "foreign aid", they can read up on Foreign Military Sales and how it actually works.
 

The Muslim Brotherhood absolutely must be included in Egyptian democracy. If included, they'll be brought toward the mainstream. If not included, they'll simply revert to more covert, destructive tactics. History has given us enough lesson to be sure of the latter.

This is correct, simply the law of guerrilla warfare. I don't think it can be broken.

Thanks, Ammo, for reminding us, and for your perspective.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - H. L. Mencken
 

Ammo the us taxpayer says the hell with giving their hard earned money to Muslim terrorist. What part of that don't you understand? Ammo being egyptian yourself,I can see how it's easy for you to want to give away American tax money.
 

Muslim Brotherhood: A Global Terrorist Influence

February 2, 2011

Many analysts believe that the radical organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood will gain great influence with a change of government in Egypt.*

A closer examination of the secretive group provides insight as to why its possible climb to power has Western observers so uneasy.

Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood.* So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

Why are there so many jihadists drawn to the Brotherhood?* The group's official motto may tell the story.

It reads:

Allah is our objective.
The prophet is our leader.
Qur'an is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.
The Brotherhood was founded in 1928 in Egypt, with the goal of spreading Islamic Sharia law worldwide and uniting all Muslim nations into one Islamic super state. It was eventually banned in Egypt, but for the past several decades has worked behind the scenes to the point where it's now considered the most influential Islamist organization in the world -- with chapters in more than 100 countries.

"It has been repressed in Egypt and in many other countries where the Brotherhood has affiliates and entities," said retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Myers, who has called the Brotherhood an "insurgency movement."

"The state security services work against them because they are a subversive insurgent organization and they conduct terrorist acts and have been involved in violence as well," Myers told CBN News. "Seeking to overthrow and change the governments where they're represented."

Although the group has been severely repressed in Egypt for years, it represents that country's most organized and powerful opposition force.*

Former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo told CBN News the United States must become more aware of the Brotherhood's growing influence.

"Here in the United States, virtually every prominent Islamic organization is controlled and led by the Muslim Brotherhood," said Gunadolo. "Why this is key, is because they see that they are going to destroy our Western civilization from within."

The Brotherhood's immediate goal, though, is an Islamic state in Egypt -- and an end to that country's peace treaty with Israel


http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/february/muslim-brotherhood-a-global-terrorist-influence/

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Ammo the us taxpayer says the hell with giving their hard earned money to Muslim terrorist. What part of that don't you understand? Ammo being egyptian yourself,I can see how it's easy for you to want to give away American tax money.

$1.5B in aid, of which ~$1.3B goes to the Egyptian Military (you know, the ones that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood). Nearly all of that funding is "tied aid," which is dictated by the agreements to be spent with American companies. It's almost like the money never leaves the US ... it just goes from the taxpayers directly to the US military contractors.

Misinformation, despite legitimate informational resources, is rampant in the US. Incredible that such could be the case.

Incredibly, these posts were not in this order, not to mention the Mencken quote.

Ammo doesn't get the aid, which consists of F-16 fighter jets and components of 200 Abrams tanks. US companies do. The Egyptian military gets the F-16 fighters and Abrams tanks. We get to influence their state policy, which is much cheaper and much safer than our direct military intervention. I doubt if any credible US military personage would end the current situation much less anyone with an adequate intel briefing.
 

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Incredibly, these posts were not in this order, not to mention the Mencken quote.

Ammo doesn't get the aid, which consists of F-16 fighter jets and components of 200 Abrams tanks. US companies do. The Egyptian military gets the F-16 fighters and Abrams tanks. We get to influence their state policy, which is much cheaper and much safer than our direct military intervention. I doubt if any credible US military personage would end the current situation much less anyone with an adequate intel briefing.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

The money goes back into our own economy and the purchases go to US defense contractors. Egypt then receives the end product/services.
 

Doesnt matter that the Egyptian military gets the aid, fact remains it is going to a country that has talked about war with the US on several ocassions, is very likely going to be in the middle of a civlil war very soon and could easily end up with a hostle muslim government. We do not need to be spending our tax money on military hardware for countries that talk about war with the US, ( it is OUR tax money that pays for the military hardware ) and could end up in the hands of radical muslim groups like the muslim brotherhood....


"Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood.* So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

Why are there so many jihadists drawn to the Brotherhood?* The group's official motto may tell the story.

It reads:

Allah is our objective.
The prophet is our leader.
Qur'an is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."
 

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Doesnt matter that the Egyptian military gets the aid, fact remains it is going to a country that has talked about war with the US on several ocassions, is very likely going to be in the middle of a civlil war very soon and could easily end up with a hostle muslim government. We do not need to be spending our tax money on military hardware for countries that talk about war with the US, ( it is OUR tax money that pays for the military hardware ) and could end up in the hands of radical muslim groups like the muslim brotherhood....


"Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda, he belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood.* So did his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

In addition, the terrorist group Hamas identifies itself as the Muslim Brotherhood's Palestinian branch.

Why are there so many jihadists drawn to the Brotherhood?* The group's official motto may tell the story.

It reads:

Allah is our objective.
The prophet is our leader.
Qur'an is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."

It doesn't matter what the Muslim Brotherhood want and say - it only matters if they succeed or not.

The US can either play the game, or give up and go home. Giving up will give the game to the Muslim Brotherhood, something that no one wants.

Here's another way to look at it: The Israelis have the most to lose if the Muslim Brotherhood prevail. If they were concerned about the aid to Egypt, the US would certainly not be doing it.
 

"Before Osama bin Laden formed al Qaeda,



 

Doesnt matter that the Egyptian military gets the aid, fact remains it is going to a country that has talked about war with the US on several ocassions, is very likely going to be in the middle of a civlil war very soon and could easily end up with a hostle muslim government. We do not need to be spending our tax money on military hardware for countries that talk about war with the US, ( it is OUR tax money that pays for the military hardware ) and could end up in the hands of radical muslim groups like the muslim brotherhood...."
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You clearly did not watch the video I posted "Egypt ... Explained." The idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is in any way capable of warring with the US is strenuous (read: impossible). Thy have zero control of the Egyptian military. Even while Mursi was president, he had only that power the Egyptian military let him have, which is clear considering the events of July 3rd.

Regards,
 

Ammo the us taxpayer says the hell with giving their hard earned money to Muslim terrorist. What part of that don't you understand? Ammo being egyptian yourself,I can see how it's easy for you to want to give away American tax money.

Wow. Ummm ... how do I say this:

I'm a white, middle-class, Christian, American male. I grew up in Colorado and Texas. I like guns and freedom of speech.

I just happen to have lived in Egypt for four years.
 

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You clearly did not watch the video I posted "Egypt ... Explained." The idea that the Muslim Brotherhood is in any way capable of warring with the US is strenuous (read: impossible). Thy have zero control of the Egyptian military. Even while Mursi was president, he had only that power the Egyptian military let him have, which is clear considering the events of July 3rd.

Regards,

Mursi was supporting and giving power to MB when he was in power. Many of the Egyptian military members are MB. Egypt is headed to a civil war right now with MB and our military aid can easily end up in their hands.

We do not need to be giving any military aid to them...

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