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Traces in broken flasks, Robot my friend, is far from the large quantity of "pure mercury" you alluded that was needed to "laundry" Spanish gold coins into gold bards.
Oak Island...Theories Explained!
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No matter how many times one posts fiction over and over, it never becomes fact.
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Unlike most of you, I believe the story from the start, when boys found chains to a oak tree. One treasure hunter just plow most of the island over seeking the money pit which he destroy, never to be found again.
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Here you go again, Robot my friend, expanding the story to fit your pet theory.
While is dies mention "thousands of shards" it does not state "thousands of LARGE flasks containing a large quantity of liquid silver" but "traces of a liquid silver residue".
Traces are not considered a large quantity by any measurement.
Incidentally, Robot, are you aware that every doctor's bag during the 18-19th centuries contained flasks of mercury?
It was used as a cure for a certain disease common to sailors and other professions, and I'll give you a hint- it was NOT for Gold Fever.
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There is just SO MUCH distorted/wrong with the whole "gold/mercury/amalgam" loopdy-loo that I don't know how to respond...except:
GOLD DOES NOT 'DISSOLVE' IN MERCURY LIKE SALT DISSOLVES IN WATER. Neither element chemically combines with the other, neither element changes state or any property - gold is still pure, solid gold, the mercury is still pure mercury. You put a gold coin in a vial of mercury, leave it for several days-weeks-months, remove it...and you have ALL of the original coin with a thin coating of mercury on it, which when removed, will leave the original coin exactly the same as when it was put in the mercury.
"AMALGAM" IS NOT "PURE GOLD". An amalgam is simply a physical mixture or combination of different substances. Unlike a "colloidal solution" the elements DO NOT break down to microscopic size. The various ingredients DO NOT change in any way, and are still the exact same substances they were before they were combined, only now they are "mixed" - like "sand and gravel".
GOLD DOES NOT 'DISSOLVE' IN MERCURY LIKE SALT DISSOLVES IN WATER. Neither element chemically combines with the other, neither element changes state or any property - gold is still pure, solid gold, the mercury is still pure mercury. You put a gold coin in a vial of mercury, leave it for several days-weeks-months, remove it...and you have ALL of the original coin with a thin coating of mercury on it, which when removed, will leave the original coin exactly the same as when it was put in the mercury.
"AMALGAM" IS NOT "PURE GOLD". An amalgam is simply a physical mixture or combination of different substances. Unlike a "colloidal solution" the elements DO NOT break down to microscopic size. The various ingredients DO NOT change in any way, and are still the exact same substances they were before they were combined, only now they are "mixed" - like "sand and gravel".
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Couple of excerpts from Gold Rush Trading Post--- https://www.goldrushtradingpost.com/gold_melting_point
Gold readily dissolves in mercury at room temperature to form an amalgam, and forms alloys with many other metals at higher temperatures. These alloys can be produced to modify the hardness and other metallurgical properties, to control melting point or to create exotic colors. Common colored gold alloys such as rose gold can be created by the addition of various amounts of copper and silver.
The process of smelting gold requires a furnace, microwave kiln, or torch. Melting means to change something from a solid to a liquid by the application of heat. When the heat is removed, the melted material returns to its solid state. Its chemical content has not been changed. Smelting, however, is a metallurgical term. It refers to "burning off" the impurities that your gold might be mixed with, resulting in nearly pure gold.
Most people melt gold-bearing material in a crucible with a mixture of flux (such as silica and borax). Many natural forms of gold contain impurities, so a flux is required to collect them and remove them from the gold. Fluxes also help to hold together fine gold particles. The crucibles used for melting your gold must stand up to the fluxes being used, and crucibles made of graphite carbon are the most common type used. There are many options for shapes and molds to pour your molten gold into. Small kiln kits for melting gold found here.
Gold readily dissolves in mercury at room temperature to form an amalgam, and forms alloys with many other metals at higher temperatures. These alloys can be produced to modify the hardness and other metallurgical properties, to control melting point or to create exotic colors. Common colored gold alloys such as rose gold can be created by the addition of various amounts of copper and silver.
The process of smelting gold requires a furnace, microwave kiln, or torch. Melting means to change something from a solid to a liquid by the application of heat. When the heat is removed, the melted material returns to its solid state. Its chemical content has not been changed. Smelting, however, is a metallurgical term. It refers to "burning off" the impurities that your gold might be mixed with, resulting in nearly pure gold.
Most people melt gold-bearing material in a crucible with a mixture of flux (such as silica and borax). Many natural forms of gold contain impurities, so a flux is required to collect them and remove them from the gold. Fluxes also help to hold together fine gold particles. The crucibles used for melting your gold must stand up to the fluxes being used, and crucibles made of graphite carbon are the most common type used. There are many options for shapes and molds to pour your molten gold into. Small kiln kits for melting gold found here.
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I am saying that your quote states these broken flask shards with trace mercury residue were found in a "shallow dump in Jourdey's Cove". Note the word "DUMP".
What other garbage was found in this shallow dump that doesn't fit a Oak Island treasure story?
n2mini, my other friend, was there a "crucible" found in that shallow garbage dump?
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Here is the definition of the word crucible.
cru·ci·ble
a ceramic or metal container in which metals or other substances may be melted or subjected to very high temperatures.
So yes maybe there has been parts of a crucible found on OI. Lots of ceramic has been found over the years... and if what Robot is saying is true whoever was doing it probably would have tried to hide/bury their workings of it and or just carry it off the island with them...Hence the "DUMP" I don't know if any of that is true but nothing you have said proves it didn't happen either..
You mentioned there have only been traces of mercury found.. Of course years later there will only be traces left as while it does take a good while it will for the most part evaporate in the open air... Where you thinking it would just be a puddle of it laying around in the dirt? Back then they may not have fully known all the side effects of Mercury and would have probably just poured out what is not needed...
cru·ci·ble
a ceramic or metal container in which metals or other substances may be melted or subjected to very high temperatures.
So yes maybe there has been parts of a crucible found on OI. Lots of ceramic has been found over the years... and if what Robot is saying is true whoever was doing it probably would have tried to hide/bury their workings of it and or just carry it off the island with them...Hence the "DUMP" I don't know if any of that is true but nothing you have said proves it didn't happen either..
You mentioned there have only been traces of mercury found.. Of course years later there will only be traces left as while it does take a good while it will for the most part evaporate in the open air... Where you thinking it would just be a puddle of it laying around in the dirt? Back then they may not have fully known all the side effects of Mercury and would have probably just poured out what is not needed...
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LOL.......a cable show with ratings that cannot even beat rachael maddow and robot thinks it points to evidence of treasure on hoax island.....only a lagina would apply this type of logic....
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Your and Robot's could be, maybe, what if proves absolutely nothing but just hopeful evidence to prove a pet theory.
Those who found the flask shards said there was trace mercury residue, not I, and there is NO evidence that there ever was a crucible, gold coins, or any treasure on Oak Island, BUT there was evidence there was a "dump" with all manner of debris and garbage.
Yet only these flask shards were mentioned by hearsay, and NEVER were verified of their actual existence.
Like the 90 foot stone, these shards have disappeared, and neither were ever examined by an archaeologist or historian.
well lets start there then. What all would there be uses for to have mercury around. Probably not too many Dr. on the island what could have been 300-400 years ago so doubt anyone was Dr. prescribed it for the runs...
What else would it be used for ECS. Robot has given one reason though someone did say that gold would NOT dissolve in Mercury but apparently it will based on what I posted above from The Gold Rush Trading Post..
One use I found was to be used as a detonator for dynamite..
Some did believe it was a cure all for what ails ya... but how much would one little island need if nothing much ever happened there as some thing..
What else would it be used for ECS. Robot has given one reason though someone did say that gold would NOT dissolve in Mercury but apparently it will based on what I posted above from The Gold Rush Trading Post..
One use I found was to be used as a detonator for dynamite..
Some did believe it was a cure all for what ails ya... but how much would one little island need if nothing much ever happened there as some thing..
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Mercury was common and used for quite a few things back in the day.....providing a shine on hats....injecting into certain reproductive parts to "cure" venereal disease, and quite a few others.
The presence of mercury does not prove a treasure beyond all compare was ever on hoax island...
The presence of mercury does not prove a treasure beyond all compare was ever on hoax island...
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Just the facts ma'am, just the facts...
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Absolute facts have shown that the oak island treasure is just a myth perpetrated by hoaxers to fleece folks out of money...
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Where was it stated that a few of the those broken flask shards that contained a mercury residue were 300-400 years old?
Robot did state that there was NO way to carbon date the shards or the mercury residue.
Creating facts from fiction again, my friend n2mini?
Up until the 1937 discovery of these broken flasks in a dump, how many people had lived/or lived of were part of a treasure hunting company that need to get rid of their everyday trash, garbage, etc?
What is a purpose of a dump?
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