Now Here's a Nice Ruby
Check out the size of that baby...and boy did I get a deal on it!
Check out the size of that baby...and boy did I get a deal on it!
Now Heres a Nice Ruby
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nice Cappy
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This particular Red Ruby has a wholesale value of at least $167. Retail and in a nice setting...What is the value of a woman's heart? My blog which one can access, has a writing event...whereby this stunning Ruby could be yours...
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Hello Eu-Citzen, here is a link that explains about gemstone modification. Very interesting article.
Heat Treatments in Rubies & Sapphires :: The Star Ruby Shop :: Exotic Gemstones... All Natural & Untreated
Here's another link to show you how Sears sells Man-made Rubies etc. At least mine all started with being natural before treated. Look at the prices.
http://www.sears.com/search=ruby ri...5&autoRedirect=true&redirectType=CAT_REC_PRED
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Here's a link to JTV where they sell all sorts of treated Rubies...check out the prices..
Mahaleo Ruby 5.10ct Oval With Diamond Accent Round 10k Yellow Gold Pendant - NBR139P - JTV.com®
Mahaleo Ruby 5.10ct Oval With Diamond Accent Round 10k Yellow Gold Pendant - NBR139P - JTV.com®
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Eu_citzen
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Cappy I am quite well aware of the treatments of ruby and sapphire.
Check out the price of what is a supposed non fracture filled ruby:
1.08ct Pink Red Ruby from Myanmar (Burma)
I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to gems.. Had to ask.
Check out the price of what is a supposed non fracture filled ruby:
1.08ct Pink Red Ruby from Myanmar (Burma)
I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to gems.. Had to ask.
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Cappy or EU,
That thing could be glass or a "non fracture filled ruby" and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in person, much less from a photo. Forgive my stupidity in this field but... How do you tell what's "real" and what isn't just by looking? It all looks the same to me.
I took a piece of old jewelry in to my jeweler a couple months ago, he looked at it and without hesitation, quickly determined the stones in it were "old mine cut" rubies and diamonds. I know the cut is unique which is probably how he determined it so quickly, but what's to say they were real? If "old mine cut" stones are appealing to a certain niche, what's to stop an unscrupulous lapidary (or diamond/gem cutter or whatever they are called) from cutting them in that shape today and passing them off as old? Does this even make sense?
I have several loose stones i've pulled out of jewelry over the years, now i'm wondering how to properly ID them. Are those gem testers they sell any good/worth buying? If so which is the best for the least amount of money? Sorry so many questions.
That thing could be glass or a "non fracture filled ruby" and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference in person, much less from a photo. Forgive my stupidity in this field but... How do you tell what's "real" and what isn't just by looking? It all looks the same to me.
I took a piece of old jewelry in to my jeweler a couple months ago, he looked at it and without hesitation, quickly determined the stones in it were "old mine cut" rubies and diamonds. I know the cut is unique which is probably how he determined it so quickly, but what's to say they were real? If "old mine cut" stones are appealing to a certain niche, what's to stop an unscrupulous lapidary (or diamond/gem cutter or whatever they are called) from cutting them in that shape today and passing them off as old? Does this even make sense?
I have several loose stones i've pulled out of jewelry over the years, now i'm wondering how to properly ID them. Are those gem testers they sell any good/worth buying? If so which is the best for the least amount of money? Sorry so many questions.
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Diggummup, I posted a very brief op/ed piece on my blog today regarding gems in general. However, although EU-Cit appreciates 100% natural gemstones, the truth is in todays market worldwide 90% or more of ALL gems are treated in some way. Do your research and compares prices and quality on numerous sites. The treated gems vary in quality just like the 100% natural stones. Good Luck.
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Diggum,
Actually the price here is quite a good hint that is it treated, I went with the lead glass treatment because it is at the moment one of the most common treatments done to ruby at this time.
By just looking you can see what treatments where applied, or if it was treated.
But only in hand, with magnification/microscope.
Treatments do often leave 'signs', if heat was applied rutile/silk can look molten.
Glass often leaves small spherical bubbles. Or an strange purplish colour in some cases.A
A good article related to lead glass filling can be seen here:
http://www.gia.edu/research-resources/news-from-research/Ruby-Glass_Composites.pdf
Some pictures demonstrate what I'm talking about.
If your lucky it really is less then 1% glass. If your unlucky, less then 2% ruby.
Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point.
I've seen pieces so severely full of glass they give off an certain reaction under the polariscope that no ruby ever should.
What you say makes sense, it can happen also. People copy others cuts all the time.
Every gemcutter in not a designer of cuts. As such he does copy and cut others designs.
The gem testers are no worth much, a polariscope (can be built at home), refractometer and a few other gemmological tools can help you with ID. But you need a reference book; i.e. which materials have what properties.
There are reasonable prices on Ebay, but how good they work I don't know.
Cappy, I'm wondering if it isn't closer to 99% of all gems are treated.
Then the question if if the gem species is routinely treated or not.
And I do accept 2 treatments, heat treatment and oil treatment in emerald.
There's almost no way around those two, so...
Actually the price here is quite a good hint that is it treated, I went with the lead glass treatment because it is at the moment one of the most common treatments done to ruby at this time.
By just looking you can see what treatments where applied, or if it was treated.
But only in hand, with magnification/microscope.
Treatments do often leave 'signs', if heat was applied rutile/silk can look molten.
Glass often leaves small spherical bubbles. Or an strange purplish colour in some cases.A
A good article related to lead glass filling can be seen here:
http://www.gia.edu/research-resources/news-from-research/Ruby-Glass_Composites.pdf
Some pictures demonstrate what I'm talking about.
If your lucky it really is less then 1% glass. If your unlucky, less then 2% ruby.
Ok, I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the point.
I've seen pieces so severely full of glass they give off an certain reaction under the polariscope that no ruby ever should.
What you say makes sense, it can happen also. People copy others cuts all the time.
Every gemcutter in not a designer of cuts. As such he does copy and cut others designs.
The gem testers are no worth much, a polariscope (can be built at home), refractometer and a few other gemmological tools can help you with ID. But you need a reference book; i.e. which materials have what properties.
There are reasonable prices on Ebay, but how good they work I don't know.
Cappy, I'm wondering if it isn't closer to 99% of all gems are treated.
Then the question if if the gem species is routinely treated or not.
And I do accept 2 treatments, heat treatment and oil treatment in emerald.
There's almost no way around those two, so...
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Why are you trying to sell your worthless rocks here?
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diggummup
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Cappy can speak for himself, but since he's sleeping right now, i'll speak for him... He isn't trying to sell anything. Try reading it again, it's all about... Com-pre-hen-sion.
Why are you flaming a post for no reason? That's the real question.
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