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[Treasure_Hunter]

When I went to school you either brought your lunch or you bought your lunch, there was no free lunches and we were poor...

We still grew up happy and proud......



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

 

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[hvacker]

When the USA had a draft, the powers that be had an ez out for those that wanted to avoid it. Go to college and keep a super ez GPA and your off the hook. Well, they also had to make that option available for those in apprentice programs. BTW most apprenticeship programs are easy enough to get through if you were a c grade hs student, no problem. You might be head of the class. And, ya, I went through one at a point in my life for other reasons. My tour was up.

My point is not far from Pippin's post. The well- to -do still want to be sure their kids remain the chosen ones and will want to mark the others in some way to be sure all know who the underclass is. The janitorial staff.

Odd though, I have a brother-in-law who was able to avoid the draft by hiding out in college. Today, while not directly admitting he feels guilty by not sharing in his generation's suffering. His actions and words reveal his intents.
He got his 2 boys in Annapolis and reading between the lines he has made the decision to place his boys up for the sacrifice that he refused to make. Now it's " I didn't have the privilege of serving." Say what!!! Wait I remember you certainly did have the privilege, I remember clearly. You just avoided it.

I guess it's better than some bragging how they beat the system or those that lie about serving.

And what I don't want to here anymore "Thank you for your service." IMO it's based on guilt because they didn't bother or think necessary. But more likely because some other poor ******* took their place. Most that say that either think it's the cool thing to say or they didn't have a dog in the fight ( conscious). Usually the later.

IMO , like Israel, everyone serves. For those that can't handle the idea of fighting, there are plenty of support options for them. Earn your citizenship.
I'm off the soap box now. Someone want to take over?

 

[Crispin]

When I went to school you either brought your lunch or you bought your lunch, there was no free lunches and we were poor...

We to still grew up happy and proud......



We will NOT go quietly into the night!

I have no problems feeding any child of any socioeconomic status. Whether they be healthy or poor. Being rich does not guarantee one a happy childhood. My grandfather went to school way before any of us. In the 1910's I believe... He told me a story about how the kids would throw stones at him and yell "Christ Killer!" right in front of the teachers. His parents would give him lunch money and they would beat him up and take it away on his way to school. Adults witnessed and didn't stop it. Anybody care to know why?

I'm tired of hearing about how good "the ole days" were. Welcome to the 21st century.

Captain of Gen Y

 

[Crispin]

When the USA had a draft, the powers that be had an ez out for those that wanted to avoid it. Go to college and keep a super ez GPA and your off the hook. Well, they also had to make that option available for those in apprentice programs. BTW most apprenticeship programs are easy enough to get through if you were a c grade hs student, no problem. You might be head of the class. And, ya, I went through one at a point in my life for other reasons. My tour was up.

My point is not far from Pippin's post. The well- to -do still want to be sure their kids remain the chosen ones and will want to mark the others in some way to be sure all know who the underclass is. The janitorial staff.

Odd though, I have a brother-in-law who was able to avoid the draft by hiding out in college. Today, while not directly admitting he feels guilty by not sharing in his generation's suffering. His actions and words reveal his intents.
He got his 2 boys in Annapolis and reading between the lines he has made the decision to place his boys up for the sacrifice that he refused to make. Now it's " I didn't have the privilege of serving." Say what!!! Wait I remember you certainly did have the privilege, I remember clearly. You just avoided it.

I guess it's better than some bragging how they beat the system or those that lie about serving.

And what I don't want to here anymore "Thank you for your service." IMO it's based on guilt because they didn't bother or think necessary. But more likely because some other poor ******* took their place. Most that say that either think it's the cool thing to say or they didn't have a dog in the fight ( conscious). Usually the later.

IMO , like Israel, everyone serves. For those that can't handle the idea of fighting, there are plenty of support options for them. Earn your citizenship.
I'm off the soap box now. Someone want to take over?

Thank you for your service. I have not served the US at arms but I still serve man everyday. One does not have to join the military to serve their country and their fellow man.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

olroy70:

There's a high school near here that has a pretty good football team. But they keep losing games in the fourth quarter. Team members would just run out of gas.

Coach finally figured out the kids were eating very poorly. They don't come from wealthy neighborhoods, parents do the best they can, but they kids have poor nutrition and it showed.

The Coach built up a volunteer food program. Now the kids are eating well and winning games. The little money that costs will be more than paid back in increased earning power, reduced medical expenses, longer lives, etc., etc.

After the Great Depression here in the good ole US of A, the US Army drafted many men who were not physically able to serve. Years of poor nutrition took its toll. Study up some time on what the evil, nasty Federal government did about that...

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Crispin:

When I was in grade school one of my classmates (a few years ahead of me, to be precise) had polio. Greg had to wear those steel leg braces.

The different polio vaccines were introduced and now it's almost unheard of! I don't think those were such good ole days.

But then, I'm not on Duck Dynesty, either...

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Crispin]

Crispin:

When I was in grade school one of my classmates (a few years ahead of me, to be precise) had polio. Greg had to wear those steel leg braces.

The different polio vaccines were introduced and now it's almost unheard of! I don't think those were such good ole days.

But then, I'm not on Duck Dynesty, either...

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

The words you are look for are "Polio has been eradicated from N. America."

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have no problems feeding any child of any socioeconomic status. Whether they be healthy or poor. Being rich does not guarantee one a happy childhood. My grandfather went to school way before any of us. In the 1910's I believe... He told me a story about how the kids would throw stones at him and yell "Christ Killer!" right in front of the teachers. His parents would give him lunch money and they would beat him up and take it away on his way to school. Adults witnessed and didn't stop it. Anybody care to know why?

I'm tired of hearing about how good "the ole days" were. Welcome to the 21st century.

Captain of Gen Y

Sorry my friend, but crime rate was low, unemployment rate was low, you could leave your doors unlocked, neighbors looked out for neighbors, people were proud to work for what they wanted there was no aids, those were the "good ole days......

There have been bullies since the dawn of time, there will always be bullies, it is human nature........ I lived the flower days of peace and love in the 60s, nice thought, great times but there will never ever be a utopia, or a Shangri-La or world peace, it is a pipe dream, it never happened and never will...

 

[hvacker]

Thank you for your service. I have not served the US at arms but I still serve man everyday. One does not have to join the military to serve their country and their fellow man.

I know that well and told my GP something close to that when he told me he hadn't served . This guy saved my life with his skills and I think that's a great way to serve. Many don't look at the effort needed to learn the art/science of healing. When I watch his eyes, I don't think he misses a thing.
I hope my meaning wasn't obstructed by my words. Serving can take numerous paths. The idea is to find a way to give back. To attempt a social consciousness that because for most, all of a young persons life has been to take. They come into life with their hands clinched tight but leave with their hands open.

I'd like to see options offered. Two years of service to your country. You choose. I would also like to see their service as a way to reduce students loans. My understanding there are programs like this on some level but by the way ex students complain there aren't many takers. I guess I'd make it necessary choice not compulsory, like a indentured servant is.
It just might be the best learning experience of their lives.

In my time a lot of young people chose to serve after Kennedy made his speech about what you can do for your country. Even those that were called at the time "Peaceniks" found the Peace Corps and other programs to be part of. Many enlisted because "They are going to draft me sooner or later anyway"

Ya. it might work again.

 

[Crispin]

Sorry my friend, but crime rate was low, unemployment rate was low, you could leave your doors unlocked, neighbors looked out for neighbors, people were proud to work for what they wanted there was no aids, those were the "good ole days......

There have been bullies since the dawn of time, there will always be bullies, it is human nature........ I lived the flower days of peace and love in the 60s, nice thought, great times but there will never ever be a utopia, or a Shangri-La or world peace, it is a pipe dream, it never happened and never will...

My friend,
I agree with your second paragraph 100%. My point was that whether they were "good ole days" depended on who you were. While you were living the Peace Days of the flowerly 60's MLK was marching for civil rights, Rosa Parks was riding at the back of a bus, JFK was being shot at, boys were sitting in at counter tops and all in the name of civil rights. I'm not quite sure how great it was to be in woman in the 60s or 70s. "A woman belongs in the kitchen." Women were paid less for the same jobs, they were subjected to the tormenting rages of sometimes brutal husbands (not all.) Gloria Steinham would not have called them the good old days. You could leave your door unlocked...but don't leave your boy alone with a priest. There were different dangers, agreed, but the same in number.

"The ring is all together evil. None of us can wield it." -- Lord Elrond
"Then let us be rid of it." -- Gimil

The good ole days is an illusion perpetuated by old, white men... edit that if you must...but it is true.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Treasure Hunter:

Which was it - a golden time or that Utopia will never be available for rent?

The 1950s - Jim Crow, Black folks told to sit in the back of the bus, highest Federal income tax rate over 90%, polio and lung cancer. Good and bad - just like every other time in the history of the world.

Are we better off today - with inflation eating into wages and the gap between rich and poor wider than it has been in over 100 years? In many ways, Yes.

As our President says, we must continue to work to make a more perfect Union.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

 

[Dave44]

When was the last time we had indentured servants in the US? You don't really want to go there again,, You only think you do. Furthermore, why is it that the hard core lefties want the draft, mandatory civil service or indentured servitude?


I didn't serve either,, But in my opinion, if I did, I would prefer someone that shares my love of my country at my side, or backing me up. As you can see, the draft draws in everyone, domestic enemies as well as patriots. I dare say that I have met quite a few Communists and Socialists that were drafted, what was the driving force for them in a war? Staying alive, maybe?

Forced servitude.. nice.

I am with Hvacker on this point.. Thank you all for your service. But the ones that served by force,, but have no love for the country.. okay, thanks too?


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Before the Civil War, slaves and indentured servants were considered personal property, and they or their descendants could be sold or inherited like any other personalty. Like other property, human chattel was governed largely by laws of individual states. Generally, these laws concerning indentured servants and slaves did not differentiate between the sexes. Some, however, addressed only women. Regardless of their country of origin, many early immigrants were indentured servants, people who sold their labor in exchange for passage to the New World and housing on their arrival. Initially, most laws passed concerned indentured servants, but around the middle of the seventeenth century, colonial laws began to reflect differences between indentured servants and slaves. More important, the laws began to differentiate between races: the association of “servitude for natural life” with people of African descent became common. Re Negro John Punch (1640) was one of the early cases that made a racial distinction among indentured servants.[SUP]35[/SUP]
Virginia was one of the first states to acknowledge slavery in its laws, initially enacting such a law in 1661.[SUP]36[/SUP] The following year, Virginia passed two laws that pertained solely to women who were slaves or indentured servants and to their illegitimate children. Women servants who produced children by their masters could be punished by having to do two years of servitude with the churchwardens after the expiration of the term with their masters. The law reads, “that each woman servant gott with child by her master shall after her time by indenture or custome is expired be by the churchwardens of the parish where she lived when she was brought to bed of such *******, sold for two years. . . .”[SUP]37 "
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[worldtalker]

Treasure Hunter:

Which was it - a golden time or that Utopia will never be available for rent?

The 1950s - Jim Crow, Black folks told to sit in the back of the bus, highest Federal income tax rate over 90%, polio and lung cancer. Good and bad - just like every other time in the history of the world.

Are we better off today - with inflation eating into wages and the gap between rich and poor wider than it has been in over 100 years? In many ways, Yes.

As our President says, we must continue to work to make a more perfect Union.

Good luck to all,

~ The Old Bookaroo

You are a dreamer aren't you.

 

[Dave44]

Sorry about you grandad Crispin,, But the treatment of Jews at the time was shared by many other nationalities and races.. They came to America in droves for a better life.. Very few went immigrated back to their home country. Despite their hardships here,, it was better than where they came from.
The good old days were still better here than anywhere else. You all are finding boogeymen without acknowledging the worlds temperament at the time.
Time marches on,, things have changed.


History of antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Between 1881 and 1920, approximately 3 million Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe immigrated to America, many of them fleeing pogroms and the difficult economic conditions which were widespread in much of Eastern Europe during this time. Pogroms in Eastern Europe, particularly Russia, prompted waves of Jewish immigrants after 1881. Jews, along with many Eastern and Southern European immigrants, came to work the country's growing mines and factories. Many Americans distrusted these Jewish immigrants.[SUP][102][/SUP]
The earlier wave of Jewish immigration from Germany, the latter (post 1880) came from "the Pale" - the region of Eastern Poland, Russia and the Ukraine where Jews had suffered so under the Czars. Along with Italians, Irish and other Eastern and Southern Europeans, Jews faced discrimination in the United States in employment, education and social advancement. American groups like the Immigration Restriction League, criticized these new arrivals along with immigrants from Asia and southern and eastern Europe, as culturally, intellectually, morally, and biologically inferior. Despite these attacks, very few Eastern European Jews returned to Europe for whatever privations they faced here, their situation in the US was still improved.
Beginning in the early 1880s, declining farm prices also prompted elements of the Populist movement to blame the perceived evils of capitalism and industrialism on Jews because of their alleged racial/religious inclination for financial exploitation and, more specifically, because of the alleged financial manipulations of Jewish financiers such as the Rothschilds.[SUP][103][/SUP] Although Jews played only a minor role in the nation's commercial banking system, the prominence of Jewish investment bankers such as the Rothschilds in Europe, and Jacob Schiff, of Kuhn, Loeb & Co. in New York City, made the claims of anti-Semites believable to some.
The Morgan Bonds scandal injected populist antisemitism into the 1896 presidential campaign. It was disclosed that President Grover Cleveland had sold bonds to a syndicate which included J. P. Morgan and the Rothschilds house, bonds which that syndicate was now selling for a profit, the Populists used it as an opportunity to uphold their view of history, and prove to the nation that Washington and Wall Street were in the hands of the international Jewish banking houses.
Another focus of antisemitic feeling was the allegation that Jews were at the center of an international conspiracy to fix the currency and thus the economy to a single gold standard.[SUP][104][/SUP] "

By The way,, I highlighted something you should pay attention too. Is history repeating itself?

 

[Crispin]

I have really enjoyed chatting with everyone on this thread tonight. It proves that we can discuss things without demeaning ourselves to petty insults and bickering. I hope to see more threads like this one in the future. We can disagree adamantly and respectfully at the same time.

Crispin

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

My friend,
I agree with your second paragraph 100%. My point was that whether they were "good ole days" depended on who you were. While you were living the Peace Days of the flowerly 60's MLK was marching for civil rights, Rosa Parks was riding at the back of a bus, JFK was being shot at, boys were sitting in at counter tops and all in the name of civil rights. I'm not quite sure how great it was to be in woman in the 60s or 70s. "A woman belongs in the kitchen." Women were paid less for the same jobs, they were subjected to the tormenting rages of sometimes brutal husbands (not all.) Gloria Steinham would not have called them the good old days. You could leave your door unlocked...but don't leave your boy alone with a priest. There were different dangers, agreed, but the same in number.

"The ring is all together evil. None of us can wield it." -- Lord Elrond
"Then let us be rid of it." -- Gimil

And our days are better now how? High crime rate, high unemployment, spied on and lied to by our own government, our rights guaranteed by our constitution under attack by the very government sworned to protect and defend it...Half the country forced to support the other half.... An illegal president refusing to support the laws sworn to uphold...

Your last statement is an insult....

We will NOT go quietly into the night!