new show on the dutchman

[motel6.5]

The new show is about entertainment, audience rateings , equal adv- ertisement dollars,which keep the show going or
gone. To achieve rateings as most of you know anything goes. Never the less watching redictulas entertainment
can be well entertaining. Keep the cameras rolling,cut,no,keep rolling.

 

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[Jyorsky]

been watchig this show and it was filmed in late Spring or eary Fall...so filiming is already over...anything found?
CHANGING GEARS IF I MAY...

Anybody familiar with what was called thed HERNANDO CORTEZ GOLD, SE NEW MEXICO, circa 1500,
supposedly, gold and hidden jewels in the Capitan Mts. SE NM.........

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

You can't ever help anyone by not telling them the truth.

The only way a gold laden quartz vein forms is over a long time (on the order of millions of years) which is required to concentrate gold from its background occurrence. A gold laden quartz vein does not force itself into an overlying rock like a nail, but rather is deposited along faults and fractures by geochemical processes over extremely long time driven by tectonics. Not any point in time event like a volcanic eruption.

What you quoted from Glover seems to be his version of innuendo and fantasy. He says

If volcanic terrain is known to produce rich gold deposits

but that really isn't the case. Tectonic processes, doesn't require any volcano. I don't see where he ever claims there is any gold in the younger rock anyway. Does anyone? This I why I have said over my time here when I ramble geologic - find the old rocks. I think we agree there is no gold (worthwhile) in the Dacite. I guess Glover ends up at the right conclusion that there is no gold in the dacite, but he babbles irrelevant to get there.

He mentions Nevada, and that very fine size gold (and lots of it) is well studied. About that stuff: "a tectonic trigger that led to extremely efficient transport and deposition of gold." "Au occurs in solid solution or as submicrometre particles in pyrite"

This is a good read on modern theory, it deviates slightly in that the ultimate source from which the gold migrates is deep magma (no sort of eruption either) - but even then it is magma which is recycling subducting crustal rock of average initial composition, but the subduction zone process works akin to a separation and refining process.

Check out the time spans for that enrichment process:

A long-lived east-dipping subduction zone was established along
western North America by the Middle Triassic period. Back-arc
magmatism in Nevada began in the Middle to Late Jurassic period
and ended by 65 Myr bp owing to flattening of the subducting
Farallon slab14. During 175 Myr of arc magmatism and slab
dehydration, the mantle wedge beneath the Great Basin was
continually hydrated15 and metasomatized with metals including
As, Sb, Tl, Pb, Cu (refs 1618) and possibly Au (see Supplementary
Note S3). Early moderately oxidized magmas may have fractionated
a Au-rich sulphide residue during evolution of the subcontinental
lithospheric mantle19 (SCLM; see Supplementary Note S4). During
the 20 Myr of shallow subduction, from 65 to 45 Myr bp,
the base of the SCLM was further hydrated and metasomatized
by slab-derived fluids20.

And that ore is very fine, even solid solution (like molecule fine).

I think this is it: http://www.nevadaexploration.com/_resources/Muntean_et_al_Carlin_Genetic_Model-2011.pdf

CN,


We are arguing semantics.

Not me. There is a real nontrivial distinction between correct or not. I don't consider misstatements dismissible as semantics. And, I am not trying bust anyone's chops either. People try to learn from what they read, and if isn't quite right they are done a disservice and then every little thing perpetuates itself until we are all uneducated morons who get so personally frustrated they can no longer converse. ( <-- there is a grammar issue there ) I find you to be less prone to that rabbit hole. If you feel I am wrong about some fact or claim of mine, lets talk it out. I made specific corrections, if you disagree, lets work on it.

The simplest explanation is that while we have a lot of rock formations hundreds of millions (or billions) of years old, when a new geologic event happens,

This is almost semantics, but I don't think processes taking tens of millions of years are correctly referred to as events, even on geologic time scales. Geology is more akin to a slow continuum anyway, punctuated by relatively short intense incidents. Not interchangeable terminology/concepts.

it can force itself up through the older formations causing veins, shear zones, volcanic upthrusts, etc. that are much newer and contain minerals that didn't form in the older (original) rock formations.

On its face that ^says that an event can force itself. I am sure you meant a formation can. But really, I am not so sure we have evidence of formations doing that. Magma does. Hydrothermal solutions seep through fissures/faults/whatnot created by tectonics. Rock becomes deformed at the periphery of magma movements. Tectonics folds things and faults things and what not. Some formations get moved around by tectonics. Formations have no motive force to cause things. (well other than how gravity affects the things underlying them - I supposed you can implicate their mass.) Veins are not 'caused' as described ^. And that last part ... about mineral content... I'll wait until you rephrase if you disagree with me so far. Now, that being said, it is possible that in the millions of years preceding the catastrophic volcanic events - associated magma and tectonic processes metamorphosed the preexisting rock contributing to mineralization in the areas we all know about from documented mines.

You may have also misinterpreted some things I have said.

I might not be perfect, but I try to take things at face value.

If you think I believe completely

only partially?

that I believe the quartz vein in the LDM is from one of the three volcanic actions that formed Supers Caldera Rings, you have misread my thoughts.

Damned tarot cards messing with me again!!

Without going back into my older posts I will restate what I previously stated several times:


I think the quartz vein in the LDM is in the rock that underlies the Dacite/Tuff Volcanic Overlay. Where that mineralization shows through are from Volcanic Upthrusts, Shear Zones, Landslides, Earthquakes, and water/wind erosion. Places like that are where the Peraltas found their rich veins.

Agreed. If either LDM or PM's exist and contain gold they would be in the older rocks, not the tuffs.

Here is a quote from Glover's Book:

What is the citation to that book, I'll check if I can read it online. I just had a gander at the bible by helen that way ... and as long as I have your attention .... how do you feel about the death bed quotes from german translation? Not about the correctness of translation, but are those thought to be fairly accurate? I ask because as the book discusses they lead to well known heavily investigated area. How does the age of rocks in that area pan out?

Mike

 

[djui5]

I was too young and stoned then to even think of photographing his framed assay photo. Seems like the assayer worked out of Silverton (maybe)? Somewhere nearby, anyway. The old guy (in his 70s in 1974) was called Buddy and was a great guy with a fun wife. He lived a couple-three-four blocks or so east of where I lived at the time, which was the top floor of a corner house across the highway from a coffee shop on the north end of town. Buddy hired me to run his Punjar for him for about a month in his one-man mine (two, with me) outside of Ouray. It was in the amphitheater area in a kind of weird secret place behind a locked gate. I always rode in his truck with him to the site. It seemed easy enough then, but that was 40 years ago already.

Here's a cache you haven't heard of in the area, I'll bet. The miners in the Idarado Mine on Red Mountain Pass in 1974 were all Mexicans from Montrose (except for a few hippies from Durango). The full-timers all high-graded the mine when possible - for gold ore and also valuable mineral specimens - and the company looked the other way because they knew these guys would just go work somewhere else otherwise. The mineral specimens they sold to Benjie's Rock Shop in Ouray, but since gold was still illegal to possess then, they had to black-market the sale of their ore. A Red Chinese agent made the rounds every year to buy up what was available, discount price, cash only, no questions asked. My pal V______ T______'s dad worked a very rich stope in the Idarado, and one day I was at his house in Montrose with VT and saw about four wooden powder boxes in his garage full of cobbled picture rock and also a light greyish quartz shot through with little flecks of fine gold. About two hundred pounds of rock. A yearly "bonus" of several thousand dollars, maybe more.

VT's dad's stope partner - call him Rudy - was paranoid about keeping his high-grade at his house, so he always stashed his in a secret place "in the rocks" near a dirt road not far from the highway between Mpntrose and Ridgeway. Well, Rudy dropped dead one day in about 1972 of a heart attack, leaving only his wife. He never bothered to tell her or anyone else exactly where the stash was. Some of Rudy's miner buddies hunted for the stash off and on for months for his wife, but never found it and eventually gave up. There's a lot of rocks on that road. I don't know if the ore was in boxes, bags or what - it was always a temporary stash until sale day.

There you go, Matt. Maybe a couple hundred ounces of gold values - a nice find at today's prices. Maybe much more value as specimens. Just waiting for you right off the highway.

Wow cool story! I lived in Montrose and still have family there. Funny in JR. high I hung out with a lot of Mexicans. Wish I had known this story then.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

You just described (more or less) pretty much every gold bearing area in Arizona. So if the Peraltas were able to find those rich veins, don't you think that over the past 150+ years that the 1000's of people (many of them highly trained geologists) that scoured the land were able to discover, interpret, and even mine the same exact geological features that the Peraltas did years prior?

Although I am not any kind of believer in the idea that super rich lost mines are scattered about, most of the stories cover their hinder on that idea you put forth. They don't even make this claim but it does follow logically. Whoever originally prospected such a mine had the advantage of natural conditions. And from then on as the stories go - they hid the vein. Mine out anything in plain sight and conceal their work. They next prospector never runs across any gold rich anything. Besides, if they really had working mines the point is to mine them. The gold was already extracted. Certainly the good stuff was first to go. If you are looking at a hole that pinches out to nuffin, what was it? You will never know.

 

[UncleMatt]

Wow cool story! I lived in Montrose and still have family there. Funny in JR. high I hung out with a lot of Mexicans. Wish I had known this story then.

PM me with your name, I also lived in Montrose for nine years.

 

[cw0909]

thats crazy maybe someone should have checked into the coroner, some of the
coroners reports sound a little shady, wonder what secret they were keeping

The following February, his headless skeleton was found in a canyon, a good distance from his camp. It was tied in a blanket and his skull was found about thirty feet away. The coroner’s jury ruled that there was “no evidence of foul play.”
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lost-dutchman-s-mine/447362-new-show-dutchman-73.html#post4424533

 

[gollum]

You just described (more or less) pretty much every gold bearing area in Arizona. So if the Peraltas were able to find those rich veins, don't you think that over the past 150+ years that the 1000's of people (many of them highly trained geologists) that scoured the land were able to discover, interpret, and even mine the same exact geological features that the Peraltas did years prior?

That's not true. Goldfield on the Western edge of the Supers was not covered by 40-70 feet of tuff. Neither was the Silver King. Mainly SouthWest and SouthCentral Supers are so covered with it.

To answer your question, (again as I have posted many times) There are two hidden mines that have already been found in the Superstitions:

1. The "Pit Mine". Eastern end of the Supers. While not many know anything 100% factual, we know for a fact that some people reworked this old mine during the Summer Months of 1997-1999. At least one of the people involved have stated that they believe they found the LDM. If they claim (privately) to have found the LDM, then it means they took rich gold ore from that mine.

2. The Mormon Stope (of the Mammoth Mine): In 1951, diggers at the Mammoth Mine broke into an old mineshaft (adit). There was no noticeable exit or entrance to this shaft. At one end, they found it sealed behind lumber, rocks, and dirt. This kept the mine going another couple of years until it played out in 1953. If I recall correctly, they got about $2.3 million in gold.

Like you, I thought for a long time that almost every square inch of the whole Weavers Needle/Blacktop/Bluff Springs Area to have been gone over with a fine tooth comb. I learned that was not necessarily true. There is a place on one of those mountains that is covered by a thick layer of river bottom dirt. River bottom dirt doesn't climb up a mountain by itself.

Mike

 

[spummerr]

Why do people continue to look for the Lost Dutchman mine? I found it in 1973. Kept it to myself.
Found a black toe print on the ceiling of a cave & it led me right to it.

 

[chlsbrns]

High Benches

A high bench is basically an ancient river or stream that has been left high up on the side of a valley. Sometimes these high benches can be obvious, other times not.

Hall, by June 1893, had sunk a thirty-five foot shaft on the Mammoth, and had extended it to the depth of sixty-five feet by June 15, 1893. At the sixty-five foot level Hall drifted eastward ten feet without striking any rich ore. He then drifted westward and at a distance of thirty feet he struck a rich ore body. This strike became the famous Mormon stope.

http://superstitionmountaintomkolle...02/goldfield-arizona-centennial-treasure.html

http://www.mindat.org/loc-42599.html

 

[wrmickel1]

Why do people continue to look for the Lost Dutchman mine? I found it in 1973. Kept it to myself.
Found a black toe print on the ceiling of a cave & it led me right to it.

Spermer

I don't think so!

Wrmickel1

 

[UncleMatt]

Welp, after watching the last episode, you can count me out as a future viewer.There are some stray cats in the neighborhood, and I think they might need their teeth flossed, and my time would be better spent on that than watching one more minute of this show. Abandon your camp, including some equipment, after someone tries to mess with you? Not in my world! More like you leave someone behind when you go out the next day to monitor the camp and video anyone who enters the area. Not that its even real, its all obviously staged bs, and I can only stomach so many leaps to ridiculous conclusions based on the most tenuous evidence before I start feeling nauseated. The only entertaining part was where where the 3 old guys shot down their ridiculous fears and superstitions. I'm out.

 

[3stooge]

It's entertaining and educational. I like it.

 

[chlsbrns]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lost-dutchman-s-mine/23944-another-ldm-story.html#post4420719

So close yet so far!

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

Welp, after watching the last episode, you can count me out as a future viewer.There are some stray cats in the neighborhood, and I think they might need their teeth flossed, and my time would be better spent on that than watching one more minute of this show. Abandon your camp, including some equipment, after someone tries to mess with you? Not in my world! More like you leave someone behind when you go out the next day to monitor the camp and video anyone who enters the area. Not that its even real, its all obviously staged bs, and I can only stomach so many leaps to ridiculous conclusions based on the most tenuous evidence before I start feeling nauseated. The only entertaining part was where where the 3 old guys shot down their ridiculous fears and superstitions. I'm out.

I outed out 2 episodes ago! After the so called "Black Legion" rumor and talking with a "REAL" Native American Apache Indian who knows about the Superstitions and lives in the area with his "OLDER" relatives and got some questions answered from him and all the BS on the 2 episodes I watched and saw and he set it straight.

Fact is I am still guessing this show will be short lived not making past 1 season if it makes it that far. I mean it is cool for something like this to be aired and the history, etc associated with it, but throwing BS drama, BS inaccuracies, BS made up stories, and lame acting only kills it for me and from the looks of it I am not the only one feeling that way.

If it is so fearful and scared for people to be out there and I was leading a team searching for it, you can bet, day or night, I would have people up on high ground with high powered rifles with day/night scopes, watching my back 360 degrees on all four sides while I trekked through the area! Let someone take a pop shot at me and see what happens! Guns and shooting is a two way street!

Sorry Frank and whomever else on here that is on the show, but you can't win em all!

 

[Oregon Viking]

I like your "sniper" attitude. I too would be well armed.

Well....I like this show better then Oak island. 3 years of fiddlin' around!
It's an island....strip mine the MF!!!

 

[chlsbrns]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lost-dutchman-s-mine/447362-new-show-dutchman-52.html#post4416989

 

[Oregon Viking]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/lost-dutchman-s-mine/447362-new-show-dutchman-52.html#post4416989

ohhhh....yer still here? I guess Voodoo does not work!!

 

[wrmickel1]

I like your "sniper" attitude. I too would be well armed.

Well....I like this show better then Oak island. 3 years of fiddlin' around!
It's an island....strip mine the MF!!!

But if someone got the first shot off wouldn't Harley man just need a pine box! Unless he assume I would miss. Ha ha
But I like the show to. Its the legends of the Superstitions so they must cover all the legends, BB's Aliens will be next,

Wrmickel1

 

[jeff of pa]

HaHa on the 3 Experts opinions on the Black Hands & Medicine Wheel
I'm a complete Newbie to 99% of the Lost Dutchmen Legend & that areas Indians etc.
& I knew what they did it's also obvious from the remarks of others here last week,
I wasn't alone