Need help with a coin..

[fishstick]

I found this sat in a field with an old homesite where I've pulled several LC's,seated,FE,IH's and a 2 center. I thgt it was another largie but it has crossed lines on it like it could be cut into 8's. The lines are raised not cut so it had to be in the die. It's the same size as a largie and I can see something on it but can't make it out. Hope you can see the lines in the pic. I gave it a hot perox bath, was'nt real sure how long to leave it in? What would be something else to try to clean it? It has'nt seen water yet. ANY IDEA'S? THANX so much for lookin... HH

 

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[unclemac]

i think i am seeing the british coat of arms...or spanish?....maybe if you got it wet we could get more detail....

 

[Mackaydon]

Could also be a gaming chip or token.
Perhaps a little more cleaning might help with the ID.
Don....

 

[Frankyg]

Crossed spears below a crown? Looks Spanish

 

[ohiowhiteguy]

have you tried soaking it in olive oil? if not soak it for a couple of days then use a toothpick to remove the debris.
looks spanish if not i would think a token of some sort..nice find and good luck.
owg...

 

[fishstick]

THANX guys for the thgt's. What kind of coppers did the spanish have and where could I find some examples? Is olive oil better than the peroxide bath? THANX AGAIN!!!! HH

 

[Mackaydon]

I don't really think you want to wade through 500 years of Spanish coppers; best to do some more cleaning, IMO.
Don....

 

[fishstick]

I don't really think you want to wade through 500 years of Spanish coppers; best to do some more cleaning, IMO.
Don....

How would you clean it DON?

 

[hogge]

Seems like I've seen this type before. Canadian bank token.....maybe?

 

[Mackaydon]

fishstick,
Here's a couple of TN suggestions from the past:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/coins/106872-cleaning-copper-coins.html
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/general-discussion/78051-best-way-clean-dug-copper-coins.html

Don....

 

[fishstick]

THANX DON!!!! HH

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

How would you clean it DON?

I would not use olive oil. I used that at one time and it severely darkens the coin. It also took weeks or months of soaking to get any results. I've tried the peroxide method too, and that seems to work better. I also have some Blue Ribbon Coin Cleaner that works great but its no longer available. There may be a replacement product but haven't looked into that. I've also used Renaissance Wax to protect after cleaning, but have been disappointed with it for the most part. And foremost of all - please DO NOT put water on a copper coin as once it dries out it will quickly begin to oxidize and leave it in worse shape than before. Good luck.

 

[Iron Patch]

Best guess. Something similar to this. There's many different denominations and designs.

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[fishstick]

Best guess. Something similar to this. There's many different denominations and designs.

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Thanx for the look IP. I know the pic is not the greatest but my piece has lines that cut it into 8th's.

 

[fishstick]

I would not use olive oil. I used that at one time and it severely darkens the coin. It also took weeks or months of soaking to get any results. I've tried the peroxide method too, and that seems to work better. I also have some Blue Ribbon Coin Cleaner that works great but its no longer available. There may be a replacement product but haven't looked into that. I've also used Renaissance Wax to protect after cleaning, but have been disappointed with it for the most part. And foremost of all - please DO NOT put water on a copper coin as once it dries out it will quickly begin to oxidize and leave it in worse shape than before. Good luck.

Hey BILL, how long do you leave it in hot peroxide at a time and can you do it more than once? THANX

 

[Iron Patch]

Thanx for the look IP. I know the pic is not the greatest but my piece has lines that cut it into 8th's.

So all three pics are the same side?

 

[fishstick]

So all three pics are the same side?

No the 1st is the back and I cant see anything on it. The other two are the front, just diff angles.

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Hey BILL, how long do you leave it in hot peroxide at a time and can you do it more than once? THANX

First I put about a 1/2" of peroxide in a shallow container and put it in the microwave for a few seconds to heat it up initally. Then I place the coin in the container and put a 100w bulb as close as I can directly over the container to keep the peroxide hot. The coin will immediately start to fizz and will continue to do so for an hour or 2, sometimes longer. Once the fizzing stops that's pretty much all you'll be able to do with the peroxide. Then remove and clean as best you can with a brush, toothpick, etc, but don't use water. Then I like to coat with wax or mineral oil. But sometimes the mineral oil will darken it similar to olive oil but maybe not as much. Over time you'll figure out which methods you like best. Hope this helps.

 

[fishstick]

First I put about a 1/2" of peroxide in a shallow container and put it in the microwave for a few seconds to heat it up initally. Then I place the coin in the container and put a 100w bulb as close as I can directly over the container to keep the peroxide hot. The coin will immediately start to fizz and will continue to do so for an hour or 2, sometimes longer. Once the fizzing stops that's pretty much all you'll be able to do with the peroxide. Then remove and clean as best you can with a brush, toothpick, etc, but don't use water. Then I like to coat with wax or mineral oil. But sometimes the mineral oil will darken it similar to olive oil but maybe not as much. Over time you'll figure out which methods you like best. Hope this helps.

You've been a WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE BILL!!!!!! Many THANX.... HH

 

[CRUSADER]

Best guess. Something similar to this. There's many different denominations and designs.

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I know, you know this type of Canadian Token, I have seen it a few times, no idea where to start, but you will kick yourself on this one...(once IDed)