Need help on makers marks Hatchet

[Tnmountains]

Some time back I posted this here in "What Is It".

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,288342.0.html

Since then I did my first electrolysis and was able to get some print off of it. I keep trying to make this a Confederate civil war camp hatchet. Here is why..
1.Hardee hat pin found on the site and some CW bullets.
2. As a kid we played there and had a fort and an inscription on a limestone overhang read 11-63 and a pistol was carved in the rock. It has been vandalised and the carving is now gone.
3. The battle site is in Graysville, Ga and has now been bull dozed into a sub division since last year.
4. This is English cast steel. Due to lack of heat resistant clay crucibles, extensive
production of high quality crucible cast steel didn't begin in the United States until after
the Civil War.
Here is what I am reading TENEY.....English Cast Steel. I can not find this anywhere on hatchets and axes.
Thanks for the additional help.
TnMtns

 

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[jdsarasin8194]

Tennessee first word?

 

[Bramblefind]

Maybe "A. TENEYCK" -

http://www.bobvila.com/SmartBuys/Ten_Eyck_Mfg_No_5_Offset_Broad_Ax_Cohoes_N_Y_-p337789.html

Ten Eyck Mfg. No. 5 Offset Broad Ax Cohoes N.Y.
This is a quality made 20" long broad ax marked "NO.5 ......K MFG. CO. COHOES .. CAST STEEL WARRENTED" in a stamp mark on the head. This was the "TEN EYCK MFG CO." located in Cohoes N.Y. USA, manufacturing mostly cast steel tools between 1866-1880 according to records.

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofcohoesn00mast/historyofcohoesn00mast_djvu.txt

Ten Eyck Axe M'f'g Co., established Feb. 23, with
a capital of $30,000, by the following partners,: Abram,
Albert and Jonas Ten Eyck and D. H. Clute, Cohoes ; Geo.
Carrigan, Bayonne, N. J.

 

[Lucas]

First, cast steel is a process for making steel, not objects cast from steel, so, to be CW, it has to be hand forged. There should be a seam at the front of the eye.

The fact that it says English Cast Steel indicates the steel came from England, and the tool is American made.

Claw hatchets start to show up around 1840.


Nice item.

 

[kuger]

First, cast steel is a process for making steel, not objects cast from steel, so, to be CW, it has to be hand forged.

This is not true.......we regularly find cast steel picks in late 1850's sites and if I could find them I could show you Daguerreotypes of 1850's miners with cast tools

 

[kuger]

Here is one image,that was taken in 1854,and features a miner with the classic cast type of pick we find

 

[Tnmountains]

Bramblefind: It could very well be TENEYCK with the ck missing due to pitting. I read in the link where they were a manufacturer so not sure why it would have "English Cast Steel".
Lucas: It does not seem to have any type of seam visible from being forged. Beleive it or not the thing is still very sharp.

 

[Tnmountains]

Here is one image,that was taken in 1854,and features a miner with the classic cast type of pick we find

Kuger? Where the cast pick heads imported?

 

[Tnmountains]

Here is a link for a civil war camp hatchet. It is what they call a cast steel hatchet by Hammond.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/civil-war-camp-axe-hatchet-made-by-cw-sword

 

[Bramblefind]

I did just check the 1860 census and Abram TenEyck is listed as age 38 in Cohoes, NY Occupation- Axemaker.

So A. TenEyck was making axes in Cohoes prior to the 1866 founding of the Ten Eyck Axe Co.

 

[kuger]

Here is one image,that was taken in 1854,and features a miner with the classic cast type of pick we find

Kuger? Where the cast pick heads imported?

TN,as there was no industry out here in the early early 1850's they would have had to be imported,but I must also say we only find them in the later 1850's sites and by that time there were foundries here.Of course our 1860's sites have predominately all cast tools

 

[Tnmountains]

I did just check the 1860 census and Abram TenEyck is listed as age 38 in Cohoes, NY Occupation- Axemaker.

So A. TenEyck was making axes in Cohoes prior to the 1866 founding of the Ten Eyck Axe Co.

Ok now that is very cool news. Think maybe he imported and stamped stuff. So a 1863 CW camp hatchet is possible? So maybe they stamped stuff english cast steel ? You guys are good !

 

[Mackaydon]

Adding on:
Scroll down to third item:
http://www.tias.com/cgi-bin/search..../Woodworking&catId=Tools/Woodworking&skip=650

 

[Lucas]

First, cast steel is a process for making steel, not objects cast from steel, so, to be CW, it has to be hand forged.

This is not true.......we regularly find cast steel picks in late 1850's sites and if I could find them I could show you Daguerreotypes of 1850's miners with cast tools

The tools are not cast. They are forged from cast or crucible steel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucible_steel#English_crucible_steel

Cast steel is a method of carburizing iron to make steel. 19th century tools marked CAST STEEL are forged from this high quality steel. It does not mean that the tools were investment cast from steel. They did not know how to do that.

 

[daroofa]

"Albert TEN EYCK was born in Sharon, N. Y., Sept. 2, 1841, and a month later
his father, Barrent J., settled in the valley just outside of the present
corporation of Cattaraugus. He was a farmer and formerly an axe-maker in
Cohoes, where he assisted in constructing the first axe factory in that city.
He subsequently removed to the farm of his son Abram, in Mansfield, where he
died about 1869. Albert TEN EYCK went to Cohoes where he learned the business
of axe-making, and in 1876, he organized the TEN EYCK Axe Manufacturing
Company. Aug. 27, 1881, his plant was destroyed by fire. April 6, 1883, he
was instrumental in organizing the TEN EYCK Edge Tool Company, of which he has
since been superintendent and manager."

http://files.usgwarchives.net/ny/cattaraugus/bios/adams/newalbion.txt

 

[NHBandit]

In the first pic the A. can be clearly seen. I think it's fairly safe to say the maker has been identified. Now to establish when it was made...

 

[kuger]

First, cast steel is a process for making steel, not objects cast from steel, so, to be CW, it has to be hand forged.

This is not true.......we regularly find cast steel picks in late 1850's sites and if I could find them I could show you Daguerreotypes of 1850's miners with cast tools

The tools are not cast. They are forged from cast or crucible steel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucible_steel#English_crucible_steel

Cast steel is a method of carburizing iron to make steel. 19th century tools marked CAST STEEL are forged from this high quality steel. It does not mean that the tools were investment cast from steel. They did not know how to do that.

Thanks for the info Lucas,I did not know that,but on these tools you can clearly see the mold seam you spoke of?They have a distinct look over the hand forged ones.

 

[Tnmountains]

I am thinking it is safe to say you guys have identified the makers mark. I do not know if we can put the exact age to it as that will be asking the impossible. It looks like Albert may have been making axes before the civil war but if this is one of them we may never know. What I can not seem to find is any seam at all? I will be happy to shoot any other pictures if you guys think it will help. So English cast steel is just a high grade tool steel that was imported,,right?
I have learned a bunch. I kept getting stuck with the A.Teney.
TnMtns

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was always wondering what the mark "cast steel" was for.

 

[mamabear]

what a beautiful find!