Need help on coat of arms on old swivel cannon

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This is from a small swivel cannon in cast iron. The coat of arms consists of a crown and shield. Inside the shie cannon2.jpgld is a row of dots right next to the inner shield outline and inside is an oval crest. I think it's Spanish. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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That's for sure. Big question now is how many were made out of the mold. And when? If it's fairly new there should be a lot of them out there. Cast iron is still pretty hard to cast, I used to make silver and gold jewelry some 20 years ago, and that wasn't easy. Casting iron, that's another animal. I still think it's a cute piece, since I can't afford a REAL cannon!
 

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Here's a pic of the knob at the back. The what's it called....I have a 40xdigital microscope I'm taking the pics with so can get a close up but not a wide shot.cannon.jpg Note file marks.
 

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smokeythecat said:
That's for sure. Big question now is how many were made out of the mold. And when? If it's fairly new there should be a lot of them out there. Cast iron is still pretty hard to cast, I used to make silver and gold jewelry some 20 years ago, and that wasn't easy. Casting iron, that's another animal. I still think it's a cute piece, since I can't afford a REAL cannon!
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it's cast using a sand mold a wooden form is used to make the impression then 2 half's put together and cast the sand after casting is broken up and a new mold is made to recast another. So to answer your initial question only 1. HH
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That's interesting. I can't quite picture the process. A lot of work too. What temp does iron melt? Age?
 

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Digital microscope is definately NOT meant to be hand held!!!!cannon.jpg
 

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Thank you that says a lot so your cannon and the one on ebay are one in the same the mark in the band is unmistakeable. Did you purchase it from ebay or just try to sell it on ebay? HH
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This is the description from the ebay listing

This is a signal cannon from 1700 to 1800s. Got it in a storage shed. I think from my internet looking it is from a spanish or british ship i think, but would not sware to it. It is for making noise only. Not made to fire any kind of projectile. It is in good shape no cracks that is can find. It is 7 3/8 inches long it has a 1/2 inch bore and weights 1 1/2 lbs. It is made of cast iron. And as i said it is for making NOSIE ONLY. Good Luck. Thanks for looking.
 

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I buy everything but cat food off ebay! Age? 2,800 degrees is hotter than my oven....I'm sure hotter than propane too.
 

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I buy everything but cat food off ebay! Age? 2,800 degrees is hotter than my oven....I'm sure hotter than propane too.
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I don't know what your trying to say "age" it was listed in the ebay description? And I'm not implying that you made it. just wondering what your looking for? HH
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I'd like to know how old it is. i guess there's no way of really knowing.
 

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Ebay descriptions are frequently incorrect. Same thing with antique dealers.
 

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Back to the original question, can anybody ID the coat of arms?
 

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Back to the original question, can anybody ID the coat of arms?
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I doubt that you will get an Id? I have looked at hundreds of crest's and coats of arms from several countries and nothing even comes close. With that said, JMO I believe your cannon is a modern reproduction meant to deceive and it did, you bought it! And there is nothing wrong with that you wanted a cannon and you got one that you could afford.HH
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I see similarities with the arms of King Philip V of Spain - not exact but it might be what they were aiming for-
 

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In regards to sand casting...

Quite a simple process as a whole but much more intricate with closer inspection. Here is a link to a brief tutorial on sand casting. The hands on process is probably how the canon was made if it has any age to it. The reason sand is used is simple, it can withstand the heat of the metal. Once the casting is made the sand mold is broken apart to reveal the solidified metal part. To see this process in its modern form is amazing. I sell materials used to create foundry patterns. Hope this explains the process better although this is just one methodology.

http://www.foundry101.com/new_page_7.htm
 

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I don't believe it's a Spanish national emblem crest, nor even an attempt to imitate the emblem of Spain. If it's a real crest, I'd be open to the suggestion it's a corporate crest. Then again, I'd be equally open to the suggestion it's a generic crest placed on the gun to appear as a real crest. I think its greatest value is educational; an opportunity to discuss the purpose and history of signal and swivel guns---in "3-D".
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