Need help about the spoon!!!

[mummytrol]

Hello dear friends!!! Need a quick reference about this spoon!!! Is it original stamps or american "pseudo hallmarks" Thanks for your help!!!!!!! Mummytrol!!!

 

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Looks English to me.

 

[Red-Coat]

Pseudo hallmarks, which could be British or American (or Canadian). The use of a "crown" mark was prohibited in Britain for anything other than full silver, so it would be before that date if British but - if so - I don't recognise the maker.

 

[mummytrol]

GH is a maker!!! Last my question about a spoon was answered as a fake hallmarks, now i am concerned about every spoon i find!!! Mummytrol!!! P.S. Did not check for metal!!!

 

[ANTIQUARIAN]

It looks like this piece is made of either brass or possibly pewter... was it found in a stream?

I find a lot of early cutlery fragments with 'imitation makers marks' here in Ontario.
I'm thinking this piece was originally silver plated, these types of marks were applied to lead folks to think they were actually buying sterling silver cutlery.

Dave

 

[Red-Coat]

Pseudo hallmarks, which could be British or American (or Canadian). The use of a "crown" mark was prohibited in Britain for anything other than full silver, so it would be before that date if British but - if so - I don't recognise the maker.

Sorry, I missed out the date here. What I intended to say was "The use of a "crown" mark was prohibited in Britain for anything other than full silver in 1896, so it would be before that date if British but - if so - I don't recognise the maker."

GH may well be a maker, but not one that I am familiar with. The fleur de lys is a common pseudo hallmark on pieces from Birmingham, England but I couldn't find one from a maker using 'GH' or even 'CH' (in case that's a distorted 'C' rather than a 'G').

As @Antiquarian says, pseudo hallmarks like these were commonly applied to 19th Century plate. Not fake as such, although fakes also exist where the marks have more than just a passing resemblance to the real thing. Fake marks (as opposed to pseudo marks like these) are almost always American or Canadian... where the person applying them felt he was outside the clutches of British justice.

 

[CRUSADER]

Sorry, I missed out the date here. What I intended to say was "The use of a "crown" mark was prohibited in Britain for anything other than full silver in 1896, so it would be before that date if British but - if so - I don't recognise the maker."

GH may well be a maker, but not one that I am familiar with. The fleur de lys is a common pseudo hallmark on pieces from Birmingham, England but I couldn't find one from a maker using 'GH' or even 'CH' (in case that's a distorted 'C' rather than a 'G').

As @Antiquarian says, pseudo hallmarks like these were commonly applied to 19th Century plate. Not fake as such, although fakes also exist where the marks have more than just a passing resemblance to the real thing. Fake marks (as opposed to pseudo marks like these) are almost always American or Canadian... where the person applying them felt he was outside the clutches of British justice.

Not fake just mis-leading.

 

[Red-Coat]

Not fake just mis-leading.

That's what I said: "Not fake as such" which is the case for the pseudo hallmarks shown here, which would not pass close scrutiny. I was making a distinction when I said: "fakes also exist where the marks have more than just a passing resemblance to the real thing". Those are produced using punches which attempt to exactly replicate official hallmarks with the intention of passing off plate as silver. Something rarely attempted in Britain since it was very risky, and if you find a piece marked like that it's almost always American-made or occasionally Canadian.

I've also occasionally seen pieces with hallmarks which have been carefully cut out of a genuine piece of small silver and carefully soldered into a corresponding hole cut into a larger piece of silver plate. Again, a true fake, but of a different nature.

 

[CRUSADER]

That's what I said: "Not fake as such" which is the case for the pseudo hallmarks shown here, which would not pass close scrutiny. I was making a distinction when I said: "fakes also exist where the marks have more than just a passing resemblance to the real thing". Those are produced using punches which attempt to exactly replicate official hallmarks with the intention of passing off plate as silver. Something rarely attempted in Britain since it was very risky, and if you find a piece marked like that it's almost always American-made or occasionally Canadian.

I've also occasionally seen pieces with hallmarks which have been carefully cut out of a genuine piece of small silver and carefully soldered into a corresponding hole cut into a larger piece of silver plate. Again, a true fake, but of a different nature.

Calm down, I was only backing your thoughts.

 

[mummytrol]

Thanks for your answers!!! I will try to get silver tester!!!So we can see what is it!!! Mummytrol!!!

 

[mummytrol]

Spoon found on the beach!!! Material 100% not brass or pewter!!! Mummytrol!!!