Native American stone tools. Better pictures and more finds. Part 2

[DownNDirty]

Matthew, I have been hunting and collecting Native American artifacts for 33 years. I agree with Treasure_Hunter, these are all natural. Please do take better pictures and repost them on the Indian Artifact Forum. There are quite a few over there that know their stuff. Listen to them and learn from them. I remember when I first started collecting. Boy was I glad that I knew a couple of experienced collectors and was able to learn from them. One thing my father told me as I was growing up; "son never let your pride hinder your quest for knowledge". Good luck on your endeavors.

Very good post and advice.

 

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[matthew8606]

Here are the photos that I took when I first discovered the site. I hope this helps to get a better idea of what you're looking at. when I found the location it wasn't hard to pick out the ones that were different in every way. I've been walking and hunting for more like these in the past year and i maybe have found a handful worth keeping. Like I said before.. you can think what you want but I know what I have.. Its more obvious then it seems. I've lived in iowa for half my life and you just don't stumble upon stones such as these, you just don't. We all learn something new every day.. well, most of us that is.. but I'd say this is a learning experience whether you want to accept it or not. My only problem is pinpointing the exact time frame these were made. I hope enjoy the what you see. Thanks.

 

[RGINN]

Well, one idea would be to sack them all up, take off to the woods for a week with just those to use for tools and see how that works out for you. If you're able to successfully kill and butcher animals, process the hides, make clothing, manufacture tools for hunting and defense, plant and harvest crops, and all the everyday tasks involved in surviving, they might be something if they can do that. If you find yourself needing to make some major alterations, or just throwing them away and searching for a better lithic material, maybe you would have some doubts about anybody ever using them.

 

[capsmith]

I have been collecting for more than 50 yrs. All I see is natural rocks . Sorry I don't see what you see.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sorry by nothing in your pictures suggest anything but natural rocks... Even the flat rocks with the concave surfaces have no signs of being used for grinding.. I walked fields, creeks and streams for over 20 years hunting indian artifacts in Missouri and Illinois.... Iowa also had a lot of glacier activity that help shaped a lot of the rocks found, your large flat rocks could easily be part of that activity.......

 

[matthew8606]

Native American stone tools. Better pictures and more finds. Part 3

Hope this helps to get a better idea.

 

[Steve in PA]

The stones with the small marble size pits may be pitted stones. Are the pits on both sides?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sorry, still just seeing rocks, the small round ones would have made good hammer stones but there are no signs in the pictures posted of be used as such....

 

[DetectingGodlikeOnOlympus]

Nice finds!

 

[DetectingGodlikeOnOlympus]

Is there any evidence for a bifacial stone tool industry at your site?

 

[capsmith]

Sorry Mat , I only see natural rocks

 

[matthew8606]

Thanks buddy.

 

[San Antone]

Matt, thank you for taking better pictures and re posting them along with some new ones in the other threads. I'm sorry but none of these items you have posted are Native American stone tools. Please don't think that I am being offensive in any way with my reply. Yes, you are correct in thinking that they are different looking rocks than what you normally see in your hunts for Native American artifacts. This is simply the hand of Mother Nature. There are plenty of examples of Native American stone tools in the many threads of the Indian Artifact Forum. Man, I remember going out and collecting these same type of rocks in my early days of hunting. I had at least 10 wheelbarrows full. I wound up making a stone garden out of them in my backyard while I was living down in McAllen, Texas. Those were some fun days. Learned a lot about what I needed to pick up and keep from a couple of old Falcon Lake hunters. Do you have someone in your area that you can hook up with and go out on a few hunts with? In my opinion that is the best way to learn. Also there should be an artifact show every so often, close to your area. That also helps.

 

[Gridwalker306]

You should see if there is a lapidary club anywhere near you and go check out a meeting. Those guys can be a wealth of knowledge, and should be able to tell you what types of rocks you have, and whether or not they are artifacts.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

This is also "Today's Finds" forum, unless you found them yesterday or today they need to be posted in one of our other forums...




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[matthew8606]

No they are only on the side that you see them on. but the bigger stone with the pit almost directly in the center actually fits right in between your feet. If you know what I mean.. look at the shape of it.. with a hole in the middle of it., hmmm I wonder what that was used for.. lol

 

[matthew8606]

Either that is sarcasm or an actuall question because I have no idea what you mean.

 

[matthew8606]

So none of you see a stone that looks like a Bird effigy? almost like an eagle? Or the hide scaper? or hand blade? a polishing stone? a pecking stone? a bell pestle.. a hand held bowl that literally has a thumb grip.. oh and btw that pecking stone that I'm gripping with my hand fits like a glove.. I understand that you may have been doing this for years but in all reality that means Jack.. and pride has nothing to do with it.. I found the wrong site to post on.. thanks anyways.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Matt there are hundreds and hundreds of years of combined experience here with Indian artifacts. We are not trying to rain on your parade, we are being honest and trying to help you. If you want to collect artifacts then study artifacts. I easily have more than 25 books on artifacts at home.




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[DownNDirty]

Well, one idea would be to sack them all up, take off to the woods for a week with just those to use for tools and see how that works out for you. If you're able to successfully kill and butcher animals, process the hides, make clothing, manufacture tools for hunting and defense, plant and harvest crops, and all the everyday tasks involved in surviving, they might be something if they can do that. If you find yourself needing to make some major alterations, or just throwing them away and searching for a better lithic material, maybe you would have some doubts about anybody ever using them.

Well it would be kinda hard to kill and butcher an animal with a nutting stone and there are no projectile points or blades pictured so your comment makes no sense. But that doesn't mean that some of the pictured items weren't used as tools. Kind of a lame argument don't you think?