Mystery copper found with half KG I

[NJLargeCent]

Looking for kind help IDing this mystery copper I found in the same hole as a cut 1723 KG I. It measures 24mm, weighs 3.7g, and is pretty thin. I see a beaded circle in the middle and perhaps some writing above it but was not able to get any leads searching using the above info. The pics below are only of 1 side (not sure if obverse or reverse), as the other side is completely toasted. Any info/leads would be very much appreciated. Thanks for looking.


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[DCMatt]

I can't open the first pic.

Any chance you can provide larger, high res images?

DCMatt

 

[NJLargeCent]

Thanks, DCM. I will take better pics tonight and post them. I'm hoping now that this coin is 17th C. Swedish, as the land I detected was settled by Swedes in that era and it does resemble some Swedish coins from mid-1600s, though size is different. Anyway, will update the post this evening. Thanks.

 

[ARC]

Thats copper ? looks more like bronze in pic. No greening whatsoever.

 

[NJLargeCent]

Here are 2 more (larger, hopefully better) pics. I have to rescan the coin with my detector to confirm whether it's copper or not, but it does have green flecks that may not be visible in the pics/lighting.

 

[nhbenz]

Despite the back being toast, it may be helpful to see that as well... Is it possible that it's a button?

 

[NJLargeCent]

Here is a pic of the reverse. I don't think it's a button, as there's no evidence whatsoever of a shank (the off-center bump you see in the pic is a "dent" or "bubble"). That said, as ARRC surmised, it's likely not copper b/c it rings up on my detector as 66-67, when it should be in the 79-81 range. It has been speculated elsewhere that it's a Swedish coin--example seen here: Livonie 1 solidus 1644 Livonia - coins - Catawiki, though the example is much smaller and silver; the circle motif is the closest I've seen after much searching. I was detecting in a 1600s Swedish-settled area (private residence), and another detectorist in the area said that Swedish coins have been found in that area before. While I'm hopeful for such a confirmation, the 66-67 VDI has me now skeptical. Thanks for your input.

 

[DCMatt]

Could be a Livonia counterfeit.

DCMatt

 

[Iron Patch]

Well let's look at this logically. If you search turn of the century recessed inner circle type flat button backmarks, the more you look, the more you will find... literally hundreds and hundreds. Now for coins, very few in that style, and the closest someone can come up with is neither the right size or correct metal, but somehow the Swedish history or rumor of a Swedish coin find keeps the theory alive? That's not looking for an ID, it's finding an ID and trying to make it fit, and it simply does not. The weight is also more consistent with a button that size, which doesn't solve anything, but maybe a little more evidence.

PS: I looked at this the other day and the two things that came to mind right away was a certain type of GW button, and a Nova C copper, but it only took a second to rule both of those out. Too bad!

 

[NJLargeCent]

I understand your points, IP, and they are well-taken. Yes, I'm guilty of wishful thinking in wanting it to be a coin befitting the area's history, but regardless I am genuinely looking for an ID. I thought it to be a coin for sure until I rescanned it yesterday and it came in at 66-67. It could certainly be a button, but I've got to also consider that there is absolutely no evidence of a shank, shank stub, nor any such residual mark at all. As to any concavity the pictures may indicate (little that there is), it doesn't look original or intended, but rather due to a battle with time and elements. As to age, it was found in the hole right alongside a 1723 halved copper, so that naturally put me onto a coin (perhaps some more wishful thinking: a colonial coin spill), as well as to consider the inhabitants of the area at that time and any currency they may have used. A button? Can't be ruled out. Counterfeit coin? Could be. Absent any more facts than the above, anyone's guess is as good as yours.

 

[Iron Patch]

Absent any more facts than the above, anyone's guess is as good as yours.

Well not really. (I'm better than this) Maybe at some point you will find a coin match but if it were mine it would be in the button jar and not the crusty copper pile.