Mystery Brass gets an ID--and it is a GREAT Find!

BuckleBoy

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Hello All,


It is with Great joy that I can make this post. I work hard to help ID finds, both others' finds as well as my own. And some of the ones I can't ID are tough ones. Often it takes months or even years, and then I have to go back through my records and see what else was found at the same site, or when exactly an item was found.

As a rule, I keep any item that is from a site that is made of cast brass. Usually, the stamped brass pieces have some sort of design or markings on them, or they are of a shape that lends itself to an ID (regardless of whether they are a keeper or not). The cast brass items however, are usually something special, once they can get identified--but that is tough, because they are usually poorly marked if at all, and they are usually larger items that make nice targets for the plow.

Such was the case with this one...



I dug several pieces in a cut soybean field back in early November, and they didn't look like much at the time. I saved them, wondered about them, thought about them, and drew an absolute blank. Don't look like much, do they?



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Well, today I was paging through the ARH forum's Hallowed Ground Restorations page to give a link to a fellow member here, and there it was!
An officer's spur dug from a CW site at Digging in Virginia X!



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http://www.americanrelichunters.com/cgi-bin/repairs/webbbs_config.pl/read/1056



Then I looked back through my records and realized that the pieces came from the same spot that I'd dug a .69 cal minieball, a bridle rosette, a scabbard tip (?), my CW snake belt buckle portion, and a gilded CW eagle button. Those finds fit in nicely with the ID of an officer's accoutrement. :)



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I need your help. I was wondering if any of you are members on the ARH forum and could contact Tony (NC) or huntcav65 and request another photo or two from them. I'd like to see the "neck" of the spur, as well as the inside of the piece so that I know what I'm looking for on my return trip to the site (man, this summer will be a LONG one until the fields are harvested again... :-\). I figure if that much of the spur was there, then maybe I'll get lucky.


Besides, I have a snake to look for too. :wink: :)



The other cool ID this evening is of a piece that I doubt that anyone would've ever figured out. I know I wouldn't have in a million years--even though I've had the answer to the riddle in my possession for a decade...



Here's the piece:



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And of all things, this is what it's from (geez us musicians are Dense sometimes. ::) ):





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I'm thrilled about the ID's--it's like digging the find up again! (A find is pretty much worthless until it's identified.)


So keep the posts coming in "What is It?" and Happy Hunting to you all! :thumbsup:





-Buckles
 

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BuckleBoy said:
lairmo said:
Love the way you follow through...don't ever stop!!!!
Lairmo

I think about metal detecting almost all day long every day. And I think about finds that I've dug the rest of the time.

I'll show this quote to my wife. She thinks I am the only one that does that. I go to sleep every night thinking about metal detecting. :D

Randy
 

RPG said:
BuckleBoy said:
lairmo said:
Love the way you follow through...don't ever stop!!!!
Lairmo

I think about metal detecting almost all day long every day. And I think about finds that I've dug the rest of the time.

I'll show this quote to my wife. She thinks I am the only one that does that. I go to sleep every night thinking about metal detecting. :D

Randy


When I have a good metal detecting dream, I wake up and find I've dug a hole through the mattress.
 

BuckleBoy said:
RPG said:
BuckleBoy said:
lairmo said:
Love the way you follow through...don't ever stop!!!!
Lairmo

I think about metal detecting almost all day long every day. And I think about finds that I've dug the rest of the time.

I'll show this quote to my wife. She thinks I am the only one that does that. I go to sleep every night thinking about metal detecting. :D

Randy


When I have a good metal detecting dream, I wake up and find I've dug a hole through the mattress.

:laughing7:
 

Neil in West Jersey said:
Don't you just love when you make a find and say to yourself "I know I have seen one of these somewhere before". It is finally a relief when you figure it out.

Great finds, and good luck with the other pieces!

Yes, it's a great feeling, but it can drive you mad.

When I dug these items, I didn't think I had never seen anything like them before. (even though I'd wound that metronome up a hundred times. LOL) :D



-Buckles
 

VOL1266-X said:
Nice save BB!!! NEVER throw anything away. Take it home, unless it's an anvil or something heavy. Here's a pic from Crouch's relic book. HH.

Yes, #5 looks like a match. I will try to get out and find the other pieces. I'm going to call the owner today and see if his fields are planted yet. Thank you SO much for the photo, VOL. I still can't see the detail around the neck very well, but I can see a bit more of it. :)


-Buckles
 

BB, this pic gives a better view of the spur neck from the Charlies Harris book. Charlie is coming out with a new relic book later in the year. HH from rainy and stormy Tennessee.
 

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Great job on the ID's BB. :thumbsup: Persistence pays off.
If you don't need that piece just send it my way. As soon as I saw it I though, "Hmmmmmm, that would be a great piece to fit on my wife's nose when she snores." :tongue3: ;D
Great post,
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great stuff! i have a question for you the 5th pic bottom right what is that and what does the button looking thing say on it? thanks titan
 

VOL1266-X said:
BB, this pic gives a better view of the spur neck from the Charlies Harris book. Charlie is coming out with a new relic book later in the year. HH from rainy and stormy Tennessee.

The design on the smallest of the three pieces I dug is almost a perfect match! Thank you! :thumbsup:
 

titan said:
great stuff! i have a question for you the 5th pic bottom right what is that and what does the button looking thing say on it? thanks titan


The piece is a bent-up top from an oil lantern. The wick turner knob was folded up like that by the plow, and it has patent dates and manufacturer information on it.
 

BuckleBoy said:
titan said:
great stuff! i have a question for you the 5th pic bottom right what is that and what does the button looking thing say on it? thanks titan


The piece is a bent-up top from an oil lantern. The wick turner knob was folded up like that by the plow, and it has patent dates and manufacturer information on it.
i found a pc similar to that but the only thing i got is the turn knob pc. i'm not sure if that is what it is though mine says english patent and that is all i can get from it.
 

plehbah said:
I think this is one of those strange finds that once posted, and recognized, will start to be noticed in our assemblages of finds with some regularity.

I seem to recall various of these over the years, and before the internet especially, these things went into sorting cans as unknowns.

Do you think that if they do start "turning up", now that they have been recognized, that they might go with all of those reeds we find for harmonicas and other instruments?

It well may be. I have some other whatzits that I'm stumped on, yet have several examples I have found recently...so I am certain that those will have "bretheren" out in the sorting cans. The difference is that most of those "multiple example whatzits" are not much that is very special. But they still have a context or a function, and I will always be on the chase to figure out what that context was.


Regards,


Buckles
 

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Buckleboy, I don't know if you're still wanting photos this long after your original post... but if so, there's some good close-up photos of the intact spur, in non-dug condition, and in color, here: Non Dug Civil War Officer's Cavalry Spur Patented Dec 24 1861 Marked | eBay

Thank you so much, CBG! I am writing an article for W&E Treasures called "Saved--From the Junk Bin!" so I needed a photo of a non-dug spur for the article. I just sent the seller a message asking permission to use the photo. If you have anything that was once tossed in the junk bin but later ID'ed, or came up in pieces that were later ID'ed, I'm happy to include it in my article along with photo credit to you. I have called for photos from many of my other friends on the forum. Just send me a PM if you're interested.

Best Wishes,

Buckles
 

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