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I posted a picture of this coin a while back, but now have updated information.
To make a long story short, I EYEBALLED this coin, without the aid of a metal detector, while on a group tour in Holland last Summer. I had lagged behind the tour group at an old church and SAW the coin sticking out of the ground near an old tree! At the time I sent an email to the curator of medieval and modern coins at the Geld Museum in Holland for help with ID.
Well, I received a reply from the museum today,along with a picture, nearly six months later, and this was his reply:
"In September you sent us the request for identification of a Dutch coin per mail. Due to our merger, reorganisation and moving we have been unable to send you a serious reply till so far - I apologize for the delay.
The coin is a copper "oord" (quarter stuiver) struck in the county of Holland in the years 1574-1575. Other varieties of this denomination date from 1575-1577, 1577-1578 and 1578-1579; in the same series other denominations (duit and penning = 1/8 and 1/16 stuiver) were struck in 1573-1579.
Your coin belongs to a series minted in a transitional period in which the States of the province were acting independently from the central government in Brussels (hence the deviation from the Burgundian monetary system), but still formally adhering to the suzerein, king Philip II of Spain who was among other things also count of Holland (hence his name and title). In 1581 Philip was abjured and from then on every sign of royalty on coins of Holland was removed.
On this type you see (at least on the illustration that goes with this message) a personification of Holland sitting inside a fence (a so-called 'garden'), a symbol for a territory; its legend is AVXilium NOSTrum IN NOMine DOMini (our help is in the name of the Lord). The obverse legend PHILIPpus Dei Gratia COMES HOLLANdiae (Philip by the grace of God count of Holland) is a bit unusual, since mostly this is represented with the name of the province of Zeeland as well (PHS D G COMES HOL Z ZEL).
Best wishes,
Arent Pol
drs Arent POL
curator of medieval and modern coins
Geldmuseum, Utrecht
www.geldmuseum.nl
Well There you have it...Oldest coin. 1574-1575!!
To make a long story short, I EYEBALLED this coin, without the aid of a metal detector, while on a group tour in Holland last Summer. I had lagged behind the tour group at an old church and SAW the coin sticking out of the ground near an old tree! At the time I sent an email to the curator of medieval and modern coins at the Geld Museum in Holland for help with ID.
Well, I received a reply from the museum today,along with a picture, nearly six months later, and this was his reply:
"In September you sent us the request for identification of a Dutch coin per mail. Due to our merger, reorganisation and moving we have been unable to send you a serious reply till so far - I apologize for the delay.
The coin is a copper "oord" (quarter stuiver) struck in the county of Holland in the years 1574-1575. Other varieties of this denomination date from 1575-1577, 1577-1578 and 1578-1579; in the same series other denominations (duit and penning = 1/8 and 1/16 stuiver) were struck in 1573-1579.
Your coin belongs to a series minted in a transitional period in which the States of the province were acting independently from the central government in Brussels (hence the deviation from the Burgundian monetary system), but still formally adhering to the suzerein, king Philip II of Spain who was among other things also count of Holland (hence his name and title). In 1581 Philip was abjured and from then on every sign of royalty on coins of Holland was removed.
On this type you see (at least on the illustration that goes with this message) a personification of Holland sitting inside a fence (a so-called 'garden'), a symbol for a territory; its legend is AVXilium NOSTrum IN NOMine DOMini (our help is in the name of the Lord). The obverse legend PHILIPpus Dei Gratia COMES HOLLANdiae (Philip by the grace of God count of Holland) is a bit unusual, since mostly this is represented with the name of the province of Zeeland as well (PHS D G COMES HOL Z ZEL).
Best wishes,
Arent Pol
drs Arent POL
curator of medieval and modern coins
Geldmuseum, Utrecht
www.geldmuseum.nl
Well There you have it...Oldest coin. 1574-1575!!
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