My 170ish year old gold with ice - my find of a lifetime

mustang8780

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Feb 28, 2010
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Gainesville, VA
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Minelab E-Trac, Minelab GPX-4800, Teknetics T2 SE
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I must admit right of the bat that i found this in July, however I believe it qualifies as a "today's find" post due to what i just found out about it!

I will apologize upfront for the long winded post but those of you who enjoy a little history and a relic that has all that plus gold and diamonds will appreciate what I am about to try and divulge.

Last night we had our 1st annual Christmas dinner for my relic club, Rappahannock Relic Hunters Association. The guest speaker at the show was a period jewelry expert so i thought I would bring the find that I had tucked away since early July. Back in early July i was granted permission to hunt a homesite in Amissville VA that was right off of Rt 211, the house was built in 1800 and i could tell it was built by someone of great wealth because instead of your ordinary small rooms of purpose each room in this house was oversized and had built in bookcases and large closets, very rare for a house built at the turn of the 18th century. Anyway, I found a number of great relics while i was able to detect at the site, including what I thought at the time was my best find from the house...a mexican wars one piece cast silver gilted eagle I. That was until last night. I had found this ring on one of my last visits to the home and it was one of the last targets I dug there, it was under a 200 year old boxwood and gave a very iffy signal on the e-trac...almost didnt dig it but i knew better.

When I flipped the plug expecting an old beat up shot gun shell I was surprised to see gold staring back at me. When I turned the ring over I was even more surprised to see a serpent motif as well as a diamond...'wow' i thought. I field cleaned it a little on spot, it wasnt too dirty as the gold and diamond really didnt retain much of the dirt, and immediately i didnt see any markings on it and was a little bummed about that...so when I brought it home I stuck it in my finds case and basically forgot about it. That was until my buddy told my to dig it out and bring it to the dinner since there would be a period expert there.

This is when things got really interesting...

I showed the ring to the expert and this is basically what she had to say:

"About the ring...the snake/serpent motif got popular around 1837, here and in England, and remained so throughout the Victorian era. Genuine rocks of that size are uncommon in mid-Victorian pieces, which were made in the days before the big South Africa diamond cache discoveries. Still, they DID exist in some high-end early pieces. It’s mine cut, that usually speaks toward early. Also the fact that there is no metal content mark and the ring didn’t appear to have had enough wear to have smoothed them off. This puts the ring in the 19th century and given the other information early 1800's. The snake motif symbolizes eternal love and diamonds symbolizes faithfulness."

I was blown away, I have a ring that predates the diamond rush of the 1860's and a diamond size which was very rare due to how costly and rare they were that early. Its also a piece that relates to the victorian era and is just fantastic.

My best find to date.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do now

Phil
 

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mustang8780 said:
Thanks guys for all the replies, I am very excited to have it.

@Hans R Dirty - there are a few nicks inside the band but they arent markings...as far as that goes there arent any. The US was not regulated when it came to marking jewelry and did not require metal content to be marked until 1906 and did not require a makers mark until 1961, there are exceptions to this but generally old us jewelry has no markings.

Phil

Iron patch dug a snake ring like yours around 6 or 7 years ago. It had a red stone I believe.
I can't recall if it had makers marks or not but it was Victorian. I guess my eyes are playing tricks on me :laughing7:
 

No problem Hans, maybe I can get a few better shots inside the band an post them!

Phil
 

mustang8780 said:
I am pretty sure someone with a good eye has to be the judge but basically the old mine cut was a predecessor of the round brilliant cut. It came into existence in the late seventeenth century. The old miner was the first diamond cut that had all the facets of the present round brilliant cut: the bezel, the star, pavilion mains, etc. However, the facet alignment and sizes were in a different manner as compared to the current round brilliant. The old miner was also more of a square or cushion cut, rather than being round. In fact, today's cushion cut is an improved old mine cut.

We looked pretty close at the eyes to see if they showed clues that would lead you to think they had stones set at one point and we unable to come to a conclusion about that.


Thanks again for all the comments!


Super find love the oldie Goldie's!!!! The best way to ID the mine cut is to look right down the top thru the diamond and at the bottom you can see a circle cut, looks kinda like a pupil in your eye! This is because they cut the Culet flat, thinking that more light could pass thru thus making it brighter! However when the point of the Culet is not topped off there is more light reflected back into the stone! My first Banner find was a plat with diamond mine cut!!! Yeah not for sale the wife confiscated it!! :laughing7:

GREAT score, BANNER!!!!! SnT
 

Wow! Well worth the wait for the story, great find!
 

Awesome find and story. I hope you can get back to this spot again. The history, the uniqueness, the value, and the story make me say banner. Great find, thanks, for sharing. A good reminder to us all to consider those iffy signals.

Don
HH
 

It is also said that an old mine cut has 4 hearts inside it when you look straight down into it. Like a 4 leaf clover? If its big enough you can see them with the naked eye. Or you can loop it.
 

mustang8780 said:
I must admit right of the bat that i found this in July, however I believe it qualifies as a "today's find" post due to what i just found out about it!

I will apologize upfront for the long winded post but those of you who enjoy a little history and a relic that has all that plus gold and diamonds will appreciate what I am about to try and divulge.

Last night we had our 1st annual Christmas dinner for my relic club, Rappahannock Relic Hunters Association. The guest speaker at the show was a period jewelry expert so i thought I would bring the find that I had tucked away since early July. Back in early July i was granted permission to hunt a homesite in Amissville VA that was right off of Rt 211, the house was built in 1800 and i could tell it was built by someone of great wealth because instead of your ordinary small rooms of purpose each room in this house was oversized and had built in bookcases and large closets, very rare for a house built at the turn of the 18th century. Anyway, I found a number of great relics while i was able to detect at the site, including what I thought at the time was my best find from the house...a mexican wars one piece cast silver gilted eagle I. That was until last night. I had found this ring on one of my last visits to the home and it was one of the last targets I dug there, it was under a 200 year old boxwood and gave a very iffy signal on the e-trac...almost didnt dig it but i knew better.

When I flipped the plug expecting an old beat up shot gun shell I was surprised to see gold staring back at me. When I turned the ring over I was even more surprised to see a serpent motif as well as a diamond...'wow' i thought. I field cleaned it a little on spot, it wasnt too dirty as the gold and diamond really didnt retain much of the dirt, and immediately i didnt see any markings on it and was a little bummed about that...so when I brought it home I stuck it in my finds case and basically forgot about it. That was until my buddy told my to dig it out and bring it to the dinner since there would be a period expert there.

This is when things got really interesting...

I showed the ring to the expert and this is basically what she had to say:

"About the ring...the snake/serpent motif got popular around 1837, here and in England, and remained so throughout the Victorian era. Genuine rocks of that size are uncommon in mid-Victorian pieces, which were made in the days before the big South Africa diamond cache discoveries. Still, they DID exist in some high-end early pieces. It’s mine cut, that usually speaks toward early. Also the fact that there is no metal content mark and the ring didn’t appear to have had enough wear to have smoothed them off. This puts the ring in the 19th century and given the other information early 1800's. The snake motif symbolizes eternal love and diamonds symbolizes faithfulness."

I was blown away, I have a ring that predates the diamond rush of the 1860's and a diamond size which was very rare due to how costly and rare they were that early. Its also a piece that relates to the victorian era and is just fantastic.

My best find to date.

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do now

Phil
It looks right 2 me 1800 ish from the pic I can see some hammer marks that is how they made them back then,GREAT FIND!!!!! nice job saving history one piece at a time
flatbuttonman
 

Thanks again everyone for your comments and all the banner nods!

Phil
 

That is killer...
I'm with you, it's all about the history and wondering how it came to be found there and who owned it.. I could never sale anything of historical value.. My wife is just the opposite..lol.. It's all about what's it worth, I don't care.. Guess that's why I have nearly 60 yrs of things I have found and kept..
Great job..
 

That is a nice find man.

Those are the kinda finds that keep me hunting. It will be hard to top that one.

HH Jer
 

I might consider sifting the spot it came from just in case the other stones were in the hole, just a thought. That is a incredible ring! Just holding it and thinking of the history behind it would thrill me. If only it could talk. HH
 

Thanks again for so many of your replies...

I am hoping and trying to get back on the site that it was found but only time will tell if that will be possible...I know exactly where i dug it so if I can get back there I can try digging the hole and sifting...

I will keep you guys posted.

Phil
 

what a gorgeous ring! melting that is totally out of the question!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry5: cherish that baby! :thumbsup:
 

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