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[jeff of pa]

[h=1]Gilberton defends constitutional rights[/h]
On Jan. 24, Gilberton Borough Council unanimously adopted the "Second Amendment Preservation Resolution." Basically it put into writing that the borough will uphold the rights as stated in the Second Amendment. The resolution passed was based on a proposed ordinance composed by borough Police Chief Mark Kessler. There were slight modifications in wording from the original, but what was adopted was essentially the original composition.
A major section of the resolution states:
"The Council of the Borough of Gilberton within the state of Pennsylvania recognizes that all Federal, State or Local acts, laws, orders, rules, regulations - past, present or future - in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and/or Section 21 of the Constitution of Pennsylvania are not authorized by the Constitution of the United States and/or the Constitution of Pennsylvania and violate its true meaning and intent as given by the Founding Fathers and Ratifiers, and are hereby declared to be invalid within Gilberton Borough and all of its boundaries, and shall not be recognized by this Council and are specifically rejected by the Borough of Gilberton within all of its boundaries within the state of Pennsylvania, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in the Borough of Gilberton within the state of Pennsylvania."
The resolution also includes support of Section 21 of Article 1 of the Pennsylvania Constitution that reads: "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

Gilberton defends constitutional rights - News - Republican Herald

 

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[spartacus53]

Playing the devils advocate, let's consider the following. What if there was to be a 28th amendment, repealing the 2nd amendment, does this mean that Gilberton, PA, will declare war on the US It would scare the crap out of me, that would be nearly 1000 warring Americans from Gilberton, PA, on the loose.

By the way, my former HS De Witt Clinton, Bronx, NY has over 4000 enrolled, and they alone can more than handle Gilberton, PA

 

[pong12211]

I think this is just a county saying they are going to stand their ground on this.. They are showing they strongly support their rights as they should and as we all should.. This is going to happen more I believe.. I for one think more counties and not just in Pa. will adopt this way of thinking and follow suit.. The only true way for Americans to hold on to their rights is to support them in anyway they can.. This county not only made a statement with this in my opinion but laid the groundwork for others to follow.. I for one can say that Pa. is full of citizens who take their 2nd amendment rights very seriously and would do whatever they had to on their end to protect that right.. I'm sure alot of people will say what this county is doing is extreme and will not make a difference in any of this.. But to them I say at least they are trying to make a stand and protect what they believe in..

 

[jeff of pa]

Playing the devils advocate, let's consider the following. What if there was to be a 28th amendment, repealing the 2nd amendment, does this mean that Gilberton, PA, will declare war on the US It would scare the crap out of me, that would be nearly 1000 warring Americans from Gilberton, PA, on the loose.

By the way, my former HS De Witt Clinton, Bronx, NY has over 4000 enrolled, and they alone can more than handle Gilberton, PA

HaHa I'd be surprised if there is 500 in Gilberton yet.
& that's saying 70% or more of that 500 are women & Children from 0 to 110 years old

for the most part, I'd guess this is a "I now feel like an American" thing just to get their point across.
but does open the door to saying If the Fed decides to come in and take their weapons,
start with the people in charge , because they have sworn to ignore the law.

sort of Like California & Marijuana.

the Feds can still over rule

 

[spartacus53]

Perhaps only 500 people then I think I'll sleep a lot better with this knowledge

That was exactly my thinking too, it's great to have people in charge that will disobey the law.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I will not recognize any law that repeals ANY of the first 10 admentments. Would you recognize an amendment that repeals freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of relegion or gives the government the power to station troops in you home at any time with out your permission. I sure as hell would not!

Is tranquility worth so much to someone that they are willing to surrender their rights to have it? Anyone who is willing to surrender their rights just to have tranquility has neither the courage nor the honor our forfathers had in making this country and they deserve to be a slave or peasent with no liberty at all and certainly not an American citizen....

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."
-Benjamin Franklin

Any amendment rammed through congress that tries to repeal any of the Bill of Rights would be the start of a civil war in this country.

 

[jeff of pa]

it's great to have people in charge that will disobey the law.

Here-Here

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Playing the devils advocate, let's consider the following. What if there was to be a 28th amendment, repealing the 2nd amendment, does this mean that Gilberton, PA, will declare war on the US It would scare the crap out of me, that would be nearly 1000 warring Americans from Gilberton, PA, on the loose.

By the way, my former HS De Witt Clinton, Bronx, NY has over 4000 enrolled, and they alone can more than handle Gilberton, PA

DON'T think the 2nd Amendment will EVER be repealed; I DO think Assault Weapons Ban will be renewed & updated.

 

[jeff of pa]

DON'T think the 2nd Amendment will EVER be repealed; I DO think Assault Weapons Ban will be renewed & updated.

You unfortunately may be right.

somehow an anti gun group got a poll through that says
most of PA wants Gun restrictions , not sure how they worded their question,
or who they polled
to get the results but they did, but probably Harrisburg and other cities where the murder rate is rising. maybe something like do you think we need to restrict sales to criminals, or do we need to get them out of criminals hands

http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-31/news/36661830_1_gun-laws-gun-buyers-gun-measures

 

[pong12211]

You unfortunately may be right.

somehow an anti gun group got a poll through that says
most of PA wants Gun restrictions , not sure how they worded their question,
or who they polled
to get the results but they did, but probably Harrisburg and other cities where the murder rate is rising. maybe something like do you think we need to restrict sales to criminals, or do we need to get them out of criminals hands

Pa. poll finds support for tougher gun laws - Philly.com

Of course they are going to word it so that it benefits them LOL.. You're probably right though that is more than likely what they did.. I can almost gaurantee they stayed away from the small towns and rural areas with this question.. I know a question like that in my hometown would go over like Obama dirving in nascar..

 

[jeff of pa]

after looking closer,

Quinnipiac University polled 1,221 registered Pennsylvania voters from Jan. 22 to Jan. 27 even if all 1,221 of
them supported gun control that's hardly a majority of PA Voters

they apparently counted each one as 10,000

Nobody speaks for me

 

[spartacus53]

Nobody speaks for me

Not me. I let my puppet do all the talking

 

[0121stockpicker]

[h=1]Gilberton defends constitutional rights[/h]
On Jan. 24, Gilberton Borough Council unanimously adopted the "Second Amendment Preservation Resolution." Basically it put into writing that the borough will uphold the rights as stated in the Second Amendment. The resolution passed was based on a proposed ordinance composed by borough Police Chief Mark Kessler. There were slight modifications in wording from the original, but what was adopted was essentially the original composition.
A major section of the resolution states:
"The Council of the Borough of Gilberton within the state of Pennsylvania recognizes that all Federal, State or Local acts, laws, orders, rules, regulations - past, present or future - in violation of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and/or Section 21 of the Constitution of Pennsylvania are not authorized by the Constitution of the United States and/or the Constitution of Pennsylvania and violate its true meaning and intent as given by the Founding Fathers and Ratifiers, and are hereby declared to be invalid within Gilberton Borough and all of its boundaries, and shall not be recognized by this Council and are specifically rejected by the Borough of Gilberton within all of its boundaries within the state of Pennsylvania, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in the Borough of Gilberton within the state of Pennsylvania."
The resolution also includes support of Section 21 of Article 1 of the Pennsylvania Constitution that reads: "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

Gilberton defends constitutional rights - News - Republican Herald

I was not so attune to the gun debate in previous administrations. Some of you folks who have been fighting the fight for a long time. Was there as much of an outcry when Clinton passed the original assault weapons ban? I just don't remember it receiving this much press or controversy? Is this observation accurate or was it a big deal back then also?

 

[0121stockpicker]

I will not recognize any law that repeals ANY of the first 10 admentments. Would you recognize an amendment that repeats freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of relegion or gives the government the power to station troops in you home at any time with our your permission. I sure as hell would not!

Is tranquility worth so much to someone that they are willing to surrender their rights to have it? Anyone who is willing to surrender their rights just to have tranquility has neither the courage nor the honor our forfathers had in making this country and they deserve to be a slave or peasent with no liberty at all and certainly not an American citizen....

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty."
-Benjamin Franklin

Any amendment rammed through congress that tries to repeal any of the Bill of Rights would be the start of a civil war in this country.

Why just the first 10?? Isn't every amendment a god given right to the people of the US? At least legally the BofRs has no special standing as opposed to the rest.

 

[0121stockpicker]

DON'T think the 2nd Amendment will EVER be repealed; I DO think Assault Weapons Ban will be renewed & updated.

I think this hits the nail on the head. The entire repeal the second fear is being whipped up by the NRA and big gun to "get the people mobilized". Working on many of the gullible as money is flooding into the coffers of the NRA as we speak. But repeal is just never going to happen - not even being considered. It's kind of funny to watch it public relations and advertising 101 and some folks are getting sucked right into it. But reb is exactly right that the real push is just going to be increased restrictions. Not saying it is right or wrong - just saying this is the fight that will be fought.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

NRA is an organization of its members, it is the people who are up in arms..The NRA is a voice of their members and they are doing exactly what they are supppose to do and what the members that join and donate money to them expect them to do.

AR-15 is not an assault rifle, military states such and government's own organization, Department of Homeland Security recommends it for personal defense.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Why just the first 10?? Isn't every amendment a god given right to the people of the US? At least legally the BofRs has no special standing as opposed to the rest.

Because the first 10 amendments are the "BILL OF RIGHTS"......The amendments after the BoR are indeed important amendments to the Constitution, but they are not part of our "Bill of Rights" those rights are guaranteed to every American living and yet to come, even to those who do not appreciate them.......

I am others like me who are fighting for these rights are not just fighting for ourselves, we are fighting for them for our grandkids and great grandkids who have yet to be born...

When my grandson or great grandson comes to me and says "grandpa, in school I learned in America we use to be free and had rights guaranteed to us in a constitution, something called the Bill of Rights, what happen?" I am not going to be one of them to tell him, "son, we surrendered them because we were too afraid to stand up and fight for them".

 

[0121stockpicker]

NRA is an organization of its members, it is the people who are up in arms..The NRA is a voice of their members and they are doing exactly what they are supppose to do and what the members that join and donate money to them expect them to do.

AR-15 is not an assault rifle, military states such and government's own organization, Department of Homeland Security recommends it for personal defense.

If that's true on the NRA then why do 85 percent of their members favor universal background checks yet they oppose?? Ill give you a hint - big gun. No one can be that naive in the united $tate$ of America not to know that when it comes to politics you've got to follow the $$$?? In the end the members get used for their voting block power. The NRA whips folks into a frenzy, threaten the politicians with votes and then get regs overturned or jammed through to make it easier for big gun to sell as many guns as they possibly can.

I thought this was pretty common knowledge on both sides of the issue?

I know the gun rights people want to seem like they are the David to the Antigun Goliath but name me a single anti-gun group with anywhere near the power, influence or $$$ of the NRA and big gun??

Not pro or anti but lets just be honest around here.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

OK and where do they get the numbers that state that, did they poll all of NRA members? No member I know supports it including myself....

Now are you calling me naive? I know where NRA gets its money, it gets it from the members in memberships, donations and from the gun manufactures..... It takes money to lobby, fight and win a battle in congress, more power to the NRA I am glad they have the power they do...... I am all for any group that fights to defend the 2nd amendment against attacks from anyone trying to destroy it......

Remember it was not the NRA that started this battle, it was the Democrats, liberals and gun control lobbies that started this battle................ What happen in Sandy Hook though tragic is not the fault of the guns in this country.... You even have a parent of one of the dead children testifying to that.

As long as I can remember guns have always been readily available in this country, you could buy them in any hardware store, a lot of department stores and through the mail, we had rifle teams in schools, you had boy-scouts giving merit badges for shooting yet we did not have mass shootings. Guns are not the problem, it is the moral decay, lack of parental guidance, and the poor mental health care in this country that is the problem.. It is like saying we need to ban large spoons because of all the overweight people in this country...

 

[0121stockpicker]

Because the first 10 amendments are the "BILL OF RIGHTS"......The amendments after the BoR are indeed important amendments to the Constitution, but they are not part of our "Bill of Rights" those rights are guaranteed to every American living and yet to come, even to those who do not appreciate them.......

I am others like me who are fighting for these rights are not just fighting for ourselves, we are fighting for them for our grandkids and great grandkids who have yet to be born...

When my grandson or great grandson comes to me and says "grandpa, in school I learned in America we use to be free and had rights guaranteed to us in a constitution, something called the Bill of Rights, what happen?" I am not going to be one of them to tell him, "son, we surrendered them because we were too afraid to stand up and fight for them".

The BoRs have no diff legal status than any other amendments - that's the only point I'm making.

And you might want to study your history a bit as the const and BofRs on guaranteed these wonderful freedoms to a small part of this countries population - white land owning males. Took a lot of other amendments beyond the const and BofRs to guarantee it for the rest of our citizens. So my guess is that they would find some of these "less important" amendments - like the ones that guaranteed their freedom from slavery or gave them the most important american right - the right to vote. BofRs not going to do you a whole lit of good if your in slavery, right th? But my guess is many on this board prob don't think those amendments should ever have been added from what I've read on other posts.