More Fake Cobs...these are meant to defraud.

I know that there are well spoken individuals in every spanish speaking country. Its just that the saying "you'r not invited to this funeral..." (literally) is used often in Mexico to tell you to mind your own bizwacks. Tell you what also. The most proper Spanish that I've ever heard was Colombian Spanish. Sometimes you can't even understand a Spaniard. Anyway thats not the topic of this thread. To sum it all up...these guys are crooks and some type of formal punishment should be applied because they are selling forgeries and passing them off as real. I know its easy to plead ignorance. " I thought it was real". But when you start giving high fines and some jail time to these guys then they will become experts fast. They should also have a 1,2,3 strike law. what do you guys think? ;D, Raul.
 

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You would think that the State of Florida would have enough people to check these coins to see if they are fake or not. What does it mean to be a Certified Achie. There has to be more involved than being able to read a tape measure underwater or taking a few photos. Hell there is a building in the capital of Florida that is loaded with gold and silver coins. Are they trying to say that there is NOT A SOLE in this building that can tell the difference between a REAL coin and a FAKE coin.
Talking about FAKE COINS:
What is a FAKE COIN anyway?
To me it is a coin that is made to look like an orginal coin- correct?
FRAUD is when the fake coin is sold as an orginal coin.
We all know that there is a BIG named company that reproduce Silver coins from silver bars that were recovered from ship wrecks. These coins come with a Certificate that plainly states that they are not orginal coins but on these coins I have not found a stamp anywhere that tells you it is a copy-just a piece of paper. Now what happens if this paper gets lost and the person decides to sell this coin as an ORGINAL. Who can tell the difference?
The price of these REPRODUCTION coins is a lot less than an ORGINAL coin.
Is there anyone on this forum that can tell the difference-I do not think so without spending a great deal of time inspecting the coin itself and maybe not even then.
Peg Leg
 

Answer to - ole.Grubstake;

If enough ebayers report a seller for mis-discription then they will be taken off. This has to be the best approach. I totally agree with doing away with the crooks but we have to be careful not to target people who may have made a honest mistake. The fakes are so good now that even the World's leading Museum & authority on Anglo-Saxon coins recently recorded a fake. You have to go with your gut. If your unsure don't buy it.
 

Peg Leg said:
We all know that there is a BIG named company that reproduce Silver coins from silver bars that were recovered from ship wrecks. These coins come with a Certificate that plainly states that they are not orginal coins but on these coins I have not found a stamp anywhere that tells you it is a copy-just a piece of paper. Now what happens if this paper gets lost and the person decides to sell this coin as an ORGINAL. Who can tell the difference?
The price of these REPRODUCTION coins is a lot less than an ORGINAL coin.
Is there anyone on this forum that can tell the difference-I do not think so without spending a great deal of time inspecting the coin itself and maybe not even then.
Peg Leg
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Good question. Does anyone know the difference? I have never seen an Atocha silver bar reproduction coin.
 

Doc,

Wonderful escudo, absolutely gorgeous...Carlos-Juana Type 28?.
Can you tell me what the legend reads? I can't make it out, I think I got it.

nice pics...
I'll post a few in my collection......give me some time to do so.

Trez
 

ole.Grubstake said:
These are the two smallest I have found. One is only about 1/2 in in diameter. The other a little larger. Got any info for me on these two Trez?
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Yes I can Grub.......
just tell me the letters you see to the left side of the shield. OM? MP or MF maybe?

This will help.

Trez
 

ole.Grubstake said:
Trez------It is a MF. The other coin looks like a M with a small o over the top of it on the shield side. Does the o M mean Mexico mint.?
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Grub,

Yes it does...Mexico mint
The MF - F assayer and looking at the shield...pretty sure 1730-1733.

Thanks again for the nice photos of some nice ole silver.......

Trez
 

Its to do with the metal quality. The purer the silver the better it survives. Some minters debased the coinage to make themselves more money.
 

I had it on a different site where I didn't get the confirmation email. But I could still logon, so give it a go.
 

Nice 4e and 2e listed on Ebay. I'm a little skeptical about the 1715 fleet claim though.
260046124724 , 260046125299
 

The bottom line really is, almost anything can be faked so to fool even the very best authorities. This has been proven over and over again throughout history.

Years ago I recall reading an article about a master furniture maker who purposely copied a famous chair with the intention of seeing if the experts could detect the forgery. He intended no malice; he just wanted to see if they would be able to tell the real thing from a fake. The story went that not only were they unable to identify it as a reproduction, the chair was put on public display! Some time later the craftsmen told them all the truth.

While fakes are out there, to be fair, probably most of the coins and relics sold on ebay are genuine. But then on the other hand, who really knows for sure?
 

I would mainly agree, but I hate to say it - in the UK fakes have been dug as well.
 

I'd love to buy another genuine Spanish shipwreck reale but where can one buy such a coin today?

I used to have several genuine cobs but sold them :'(

Badger
 

Why so much pessimism?

Do you think I would spend thousands of hours detecting if I were a pessimistic. I'm a realist with ambition. I stated a fact not a pessistic view.
 

160046696103 - ebay example of a fake found saxon penny
 

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