Mistake in gun bill could defeat the effort

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Another let's pass it before we read it and it's only 8 pages......How do they think anything can get passed with goof's like this?One of the major gun-control efforts in Olympia this session calls for the sheriff to inspect the homes of assault-weapon owners. The bill’s backers say that was a mistake. Forget police drones flying over your house. How about police coming inside, once a year, to have a look around?

As Orwellian as that sounds, it isn’t hypothetical. The notion of police home inspections was introduced in a bill last week in Olympia.
That it’s part of one of the major gun-control efforts pains me. It seemed in recent weeks lawmakers might be headed toward some common-sense regulation of gun sales. But then last week they went too far. By mistake, they claim. But still too far.
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“They always say, we’ll never go house to house to take your guns away. But then you see this, and you have to wonder.”
That’s no gun-rights absolutist talking, but Lance Palmer, a Seattle trial lawyer and self-described liberal who brought the troubling Senate Bill 5737 to my attention. It’s the long-awaited assault-weapons ban, introduced last week by three Seattle Democrats.
(Note to readers: The link above is to a new version of SB 5737, which no longer contains the disputed provision. The original version of the bill has been erased from the state’s Web site, but here you can see it as it was proposed.)

wtown school massacre, the bill would ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons that use detachable ammunition magazines. Clips that contain more than 10 rounds would be illegal.
But then, with respect to the thousands of weapons like that already owned by Washington residents, the bill says this:
“In order to continue to possess an assault weapon that was legally possessed on the effective date of this section, the person possessing shall ... safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection.”
In other words, come into homes without a warrant to poke around. Failure to comply could get you up to a year in jail.
“I’m a liberal Democrat — I’ve voted for only one Republican in my life,” Palmer told me. “But now I understand why my right-wing opponents worry about having to fight a government takeover.”
He added: “It’s exactly this sort of thing that drives people into the arms of the NRA.”
I have been blasting the NRA for its paranoia in the gun-control debate. But Palmer is right — you can’t fully blame them, when cops going door-to-door shows up in legislation.
I spoke to two of the sponsors. One, Sen. Adam Kline, D-Seattle, a lawyer who typically is hyper-attuned to civil-liberties issues, said he did not know the bill authorized police searches because he had not read it closely before signing on.
“I made a mistake,” Kline said. “I frankly should have vetted this more closely.”
That lawmakers sponsor bills they haven’t read is common. Still, it’s disappointing on one of this political magnitude. Not counting a long table, it’s only an eight-page bill.
The prime sponsor, Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, also condemned the search provision in his own bill, after I asked him about it. He said Palmer is right that it’s probably unconstitutional.
“I have to admit that shouldn’t be in there,” Murray said.
He said he came to realize that an assault-weapons ban has little chance of passing this year anyway. So he put in this bill more as “a general statement, as a guiding light of where we need to go.” Without sweating all the details.
Later, a Senate Democratic spokesman blamed unnamed staff and said a new bill will be introduced.
Murray had alluded at a gun-control rally in January that progress on guns could take years.
“We will only win if we reach out and continue to change the hearts and minds of Washingtonians,” Murray said. “We can attack them, or start a dialogue.”
Good plan, very bad start. What’s worse, the case for the perfectly reasonable gun-control bills in Olympia just got tougher.
 

They only back peddled after they were caught. And liberals say we are paranoid????
 

I would never submit to police coming in my home to check my weapons when I have committed no crimes, this is why I do not believe in gun registration, once the guns are on a list next step is coming to take them..

It isn't left vs right, it is liberty vs tyranny....
 

Gun registration = gun confiscation....Right you are.
 

Gun control = People control
 

"...the case for the perfectly reasonable gun-control bills in Olympia..."

Sorry onfire, there is no such thing. You may call what you agree with reasonable, but that does not make it so. The only definition of gun control I understand is being able to hit what you aim at!
 

No body can take my guns. I have signs on the corners of my property saying "keep out or I will shoot". I keep 3 guns by my front door, a 12 gauge, .22 rifle and my ar15. They all have diffrent tasks but they can all do the same thing. Gun control is the start of the loss of our Republic.
 

There is no better deterrent to crime than the sound of a 12 gauge being racked [video=youtube;CYieeo4EvB4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CYieeo4EvB4[/video]
 

There is no better deterrent to crime than the sound of a 12 gauge being racked
LOL! Quite true, I learned from experience!

Once I had bird theives in my front yard stealing baby birds out of a 30 foot palm tree. I yelled, "hey, get outta my tree". The theif just FROZE still, thinking I didn't see him among the palm froms.
So I told him, "LISTEN TO THIS": rack rack "I SAID GET OUTTA MY TREE BEFORE I BLOW YOU OUT!"
He slid all the way down the palm tree, with nothing on but shorts, one foot hit my fence and he went in to ludicrous speed to get away from me! I woulda loved to see the road..... er...... tree rash he had the next day! LOL! :laughing7:
 

LOL! Quite true, I learned from experience!

Once I had bird theives in my front yard stealing baby birds out of a 30 foot palm tree. I yelled, "hey, get outta my tree". The theif just FROZE still, thinking I didn't see him among the palm froms.
So I told him, "LISTEN TO THIS": rack rack "I SAID GET OUTTA MY TREE BEFORE I BLOW YOU OUT!"
He slid all the way down the palm tree, with nothing on but shorts, one foot hit my fence and he went in to ludicrous speed to get away from me! I woulda loved to see the road..... er...... tree rash he had the next day! LOL! :laughing7:

There is no mistaking the sound of a pump shotgun when you load a shell in the chamber.....:icon_thumright:
 

It is quite effective!
 

I gotta say, the more I read and hear of the elected officials doing the OPPOSITE of what the peoples want and desire, I have more visions of these folks being kicked outta office and having to return to normal life, without all the perks, like most of the rest of the country has to live. Can you say Bell Calif.?

Won't hafta worry about police entering your home, they'll show up with DHS as a front.
If you got a kid in the house, you're toast.

(eta: DHS in Florida is Dept of Human Services, Not homeland security. Elian Gonzalez and all the dead children they were "supose" to protect. rip little ones)
 

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Pat I would rather die in my front yard defending our rights in the Bill of Rights then live to be an old slave........Left may be willing to grovel, I am not.....
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
Pat I would rather die in my front yard defending our rights in the Bill of Rights then live to be an old slave........Left may be willing to grovel, I am not.....

You are willing to die, but will you take a mere trip down to DC to protest with the best of the gun rights folks??
 

You are willing to die, but will you take a mere trip down to DC to protest with the best of the gun rights folks??

Yes I am willing to die, I put life on the line once I will do it again, now tell us about your military sevice..........


"We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams
 

No body can take my guns. I have signs on the corners of my property saying "keep out or I will shoot". I keep 3 guns by my front door, a 12 gauge, .22 rifle and my ar15. They all have diffrent tasks but they can all do the same thing. Gun control is the start of the loss of our Republic.

Secure those guns before your newborn child can crawl!
 

Pat I would rather die in my front yard defending our rights in the Bill of Rights then live to be an old slave........Left may be willing to grovel, I am not.....

Nobody is going to die! Nobody is going to be a slave! You will not grovel...I will not grovel. Let not the rhetoric bring you to a path of darkness. We are all Americans...we bleed the same blood.

Treasure Hunter, I beseech you, stay the madness.
 

Crispin,



I meant what i said, i was willing to take a chance and die in S.E. Asia 44 years ago fighting for someone elses freedoms so I have no fear of doing so on my front yard for mine, my kids and my grandkids freedoms and rights. Some are willing to compromise their freedoms and rights, I'm not..

No body can take my guns. I have signs on the corners of my property saying "keep out or I will shoot". I keep 3 guns by my front door, a 12 gauge, .22 rifle and my ar15. They all have diffrent tasks but they can all do the same thing. Gun control is the start of the loss of our Republic.

Gun control is the name the left gave it, it is really people control, you can't control the people as long as they can defend theirselves....Don't care how they spin it, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck!

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
B.Franklin

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry
 

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Crispin said:
Nobody is going to die! Nobody is going to be a slave! You will not grovel...I will not grovel. Let not the rhetoric bring you to a path of darkness. We are all Americans...we bleed the same blood.

Treasure Hunter, I beseech you, stay the madness.

Crispin, you might need to do an emergency intervention.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
Gun control is the name the left gave it, it is really people control, you can't control the people as long as they can defend theirselves....Don't care how they spin it, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its a duck!

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
B.Franklin

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
Samuel Adams

"Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry

A little history on Patrick Henry .... I assume you agree with this quote of his also ....

Henry supported the Federalist policies of Washington and Adams. He denounced the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions, which called for the rights of a state to nullify a federal law it considered unconstitutional. Henry warned that civil war was threatened because Virginia,

"had quit the sphere in which she had been placed by the Constitution, and, in daring to pronounce upon the validity of federal laws, had gone out of her jurisdiction in a manner not warranted by any authority, and in the highest degree alarming to every considerate man; that such opposition, on the part of Virginia, to the acts of the general government, must beget their enforcement by military power; that this would probably produce civil war, civil war foreign alliances, and that foreign alliances must necessarily end in subjugation to the powers called in."
 

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