minelab user has had enough i need a fisher

[Cool Hand Fluke]

I'm deadly with a cz. I love fisher. If I had the time, patience and wallet to learn the minelab, I would. I love minelab.

I here you buddy. Been using my CZ6 since I purchased it in 1994. Over 800 silver coins with this machine, many extremely deep in bad ground. I'll keep using it until it falls apart!

 

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[gleaner1]

I'm deadly with a cz. I love fisher. If I had the time, patience and wallet to learn the minelab, I would. I love minelab.

I here you buddy. Been using my CZ6 since I purchased it in 1994. Over 800 silver coins with this machine, many extremely deep in bad ground. I'll keep using it until it falls apart!

You got me beat by 500 in the same time span. How do you do that? We have very long winters, that's it!

 

[AUDuke]

i wish no one used a Minelab but me! 8)

And me

 

[dneyedli@res1.mts.net]

.. You spend more time tinkering with them then detecting..

This is the best line in your post.
Out in the field many times when I'm hunting with a ML or any fancy machine, while the user is scrolling through their menu, deciding whether to dig or not, I have dug up 4 relics and 1 old coin in the that time with my old Fishers!
Also, any machine that nulls out iron and doesn't have a true all-metal is scary in my books.
Finally, they are slow. With all those frequencies, the processing is slow and you have to go like a turtle. This sucks when scouting a new potential site in several hundred acres. Take an old VLF out in the field with it's lightning response time and you will be deciding which target out of three non-ferrous signals you'll dig by the time a ML gets one signal.
Sure they pluck out old coins in trashy areas. But they will never produce the sheer volume of finds that an old "workhorse" would like the 1200 or CZ series Fishers or any Tesoro and Nautilus to name a few.
I'm sure they work good for those who have learned them. This rule applies to ANY machine. After 10 years of using a 1266X, I still learned something new. Now I am a master of that unit and never run out of good signals to dig.
In the world of learning tones and understanding all the variables in the ground, why would you need to add a bunch of programs and technical jargon to help you decide whether to dig or not? Keep it simple. Go back to the basics.
Cheers,
Dave.

BTW, after finding a silver coin that was partially covered with iron, I called over a ML user and they tried every setting in the book and could not get a signal.
Hmmn, my 20 year old detector could see through trash. Doesn't that put a dent in all the hype nowadays about machines that can see through trash? I have found a tiny copper rivet attached to a large iron piece many times and I knew that the tone was telling me that there was non-ferrous mixed in that iron signal.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. Everyone is going to praise their machine and get defensive if you criticize it. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[therover]

Muddy,

Funny thing is, your detector really didn't 'see' through anything. It SIGNALED on the target and you made the decision to listen, investigate and dig. The ML could not get a signal, therefore, theoretically, no target.

If a machine can't SIGNAL on the target, no amount of 'see through' technology will work.

What cracks me up is when there are tests showing a nail on top of a silver coin, and people think the detector is 'seeing through' the nail and hitting the coin. All the detector is doing is 'seeing' a target composite of metal that is not iron nor silver...but a conductivity of some combination, that is above the discrimination setting of the machine. Bet if the units discrimination setting is turned all the way up it won't hit that comibination of targets, yet it may hit just the silver coin on that setting.

Me...I run my CZ's either in all metal, or discrim 0...I want to hear EVERYTHING. I don't like nulling. Some like the nulling of iron, stating the machine is doing it's job. That may be true, but the machine is also not 'seeing' things too.

If I get any really deep, iron grunt of a low tone on my CZ in discrimiate mode, I am stopping and investigating. And I then switch to all metal and investigate more.

As always, the only way to truly tell, is to dig it up.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Me...I run my CZ's either in all metal, or discrim 0...I want to hear EVERYTHING. I don't like nulling. Some like the nulling of iron, stating the machine is doing it's job. That may be true, but the machine is also not 'seeing' things too.

If I get any really deep, iron grunt of a low tone on my CZ in discrimiate mode, I am stopping and investigating. And I then switch to all metal and investigate more.

As always, the only way to truly tell, is to dig it up.

How is "nulling" not seeing, when the null state is actually telling you there is an iron target there? I have dug hundreds of nulls over the last 4.5 years and never even once was a straight "null" anything other than iron. Now I have dug a "null" that immediately gave me a low growl afterwards and dug a gold rind and a piece of iron in the same scoop.....

 

[silver seeker 64]

I live in the coal belt of Pa, own a ML the thing runs smooth as silk. Love it.

 

[therover]

Treasure_Hunter...you stated

" Now I have dug a "null" that immediately gave me a low growl afterwards and dug a gold rind and a piece of iron in the same scoop....."

What does that mean when you state you dug a "null" that immediately gave a low growl afterwards ?

After what ? I am trying to understand what you mean ( and not in a mean or sarcastic way at all...I would like to know more about how you would hunt in those situations). Did you move some dirt or sand and sweep the coil over the target again to get the low growl ? Did you sweep at different angles and speeds ?

If the unit made a low growl , then to me that is not a null. If there is iron along with a small, low conductive target, are there are times when that null will totally overwhelm the low conductor ? You dug up that ring because it broke through the null. I would think that a low/mid tone bounce would be the similar reaction of a CZ in that scenario. I know I tested a Sov and CZ with a gold ring and fairly big rusty bolt on top of it, and the Sov nulled while the CZ hit it with a low/mid tone bounce. To me, that is a signal while a null is not ( but I understand what you are saying that a null is a signal, just not an audible one).

I didn't state that when nulling the unit is not seeing at all...what I stated is that it is not seeing everything. At least that is my thought.

There have been times when I have walked right behind guys with Sovs/Excals on the beach and picked up targets they went over. Yes, there were nails and iron in that spot, but also coins. Guess they didn't want to slow down and check.

I am in no way knocking the Sov or Excal...they are GREAT machines. For ME, I don't like the nulling.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure_Hunter...you stated

" Now I have dug a "null" that immediately gave me a low growl afterwards and dug a gold rind and a piece of iron in the same scoop....."

What does that mean when you state you dug a "null" that immediately gave a low growl afterwards ?

After what ? I am trying to understand what you mean ( and not in a mean or sarcastic way at all...I would like to know more about how you would hunt in those situations). Did you move some dirt or sand and sweep the coil over the target again to get the low growl ? Did you sweep at different angles and speeds ?

If the unit made a low growl , then to me that is not a null. If there is iron along with a small, low conductive target, are there are times when that null will totally overwhelm the low conductor ? You dug up that ring because it broke through the null. I would think that a low/mid tone bounce would be the similar reaction of a CZ in that scenario. I know I tested a Sov and CZ with a gold ring and fairly big rusty bolt on top of it, and the Sov nulled while the CZ hit it with a low/mid tone bounce. To me, that is a signal while a null is not ( but I understand what you are saying that a null is a signal, just not an audible one).

I didn't state that when nulling the unit is not seeing at all...what I stated is that it is not seeing everything. At least that is my thought.

There have been times when I have walked right behind guys with Sovs/Excals on the beach and picked up targets they went over. Yes, there were nails and iron in that spot, but also coins. Guess they didn't want to slow down and check.

I am in no way knocking the Sov or Excal...they are GREAT machines. For ME, I don't like the nulling.

Sorry I wasn't clear, just a sign of old age........I got a null, the loss of threshold, when I turned 90 degrees and swept target again I got the low growl of gold. On the Excals, and Sovereigns when you get a null you should sweep it again from the opposite direction. When I get a null say sweeping from the north to south, I then turn and sweep the target east to west. I don't actually have to turn my body, just sweep the target from the opposite direction.

I suspect the people you were following were not doing this on nulls......

 

[therover]

Treasure_Hunter,

Thanks for the info. I knew you had to investigate that null from a few different vantage points to get that ring to hit that low growl. Good to know.

You are correct. There are some beach hunters that swing the Sov/Excal similar to other detectors and don't stop to slow down when they hit a spot that is nulling...or they do but don't hit those nulls from all angles.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure_Hunter,

Thanks for the info. I knew you had to investigate that null from a few different vantage points to get that ring to hit that low growl. Good to know.

You are correct. There are some beach hunters that swing the Sov/Excal similar to other detectors and don't stop to slow down when they hit a spot that is nulling...or they do but don't hit those nulls from all angles.

Very true, if they own a SOV or Excal and are not investigating those nulls from different directions they are missing targets, if they are using discrimination higher then #1 they are missing targets. I see people turning up their discrimination to filter out poptops and foil, you do that your also discriminating out many 10, 12 and 14 k gold. I have seen and found some nice gold that sounded the same as a poptop....

When I hit a null, I will sweep it from several directions before I leave it, many times there are several nulls in the same spot, if you don't sweep from multiple directions you will any good target there. I hunt with no discrimination at all, I also do not sweep like I am swinging a sickle trying to clear a wheat field. I have seen many people hunting, almost speed walking, swinging fast and in a arc as well, and some were swinging Excals or Sovereigns.

I like using the larger DD coils, I cover 50-100% more area depending on the size of the coil they are using, I even use the WOT in the water. Now my 15"x18" SEF Butterfly coil I only use on my Sov GT on the beach, but the coverage and dept is amazing, I use a harness with all my beach and water detectors, my Whites 6000 XL Pro which I use for the tot lots and is very light so I use no harness with it..... If I am hunting land that is not a tot lot, I am using the Sov GT with the 15x18 or a WOT depending on the situation....

 

[AgAu]

Minelabs, not all models mind you, do excel in certain detecting applications. But the technology is old. There are current machines that give them a run for the money or do better even in their strong areas, and cost far less and have longer warranties.
My biggest beef with Minelab is that they charge way too much money for what they offer and now are raising prices on really old models that are in severe need of technological improvement.
On a personal note, I think too many Minelab owners refuse to believe that a detector will ever exist that can rival their 20 yr old technology (fanboy is the word I am thinking off). All my buddies use the E-Trac but my old White's still matches them in finds. And yes, they do know how to use their E-Tracs.

 

[Willee]

ML is still using 10 year old technology calling it new while Fisher continues to come out with all new and improved products instead of just painting, renaming their units and raising the price which is ML's MO
JT

You got to be kidding ... right JT?

Fisher F-75 then the F-75 LTD then the F-75 SE .... no repaint, no renaming, no price increase ... no calling it new ... ...

Look they all do it ... and the Fisher F line is dern good ... I like them.
But I also like Explorer's, and Excalibur's, and Sovereign's, and E-tracs ... its all good.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

ML is still using 10 year old technology calling it new while Fisher continues to come out with all new and improved products instead of just painting, renaming their units and raising the price which is ML's MO
JT

You got to be kidding ... right JT?

Fisher F-75 then the F-75 LTD then the F-75 SE .... no repaint, no renaming, no price increase ... no calling it new ... ...

Look they all do it ... and the Fisher F line is dern good ... I like them.
But I also like Explorer's, and Excalibur's, and Sovereign's, and E-tracs ... its all good.