✅ SOLVED Medieval Mysterious Seal with hexagram...?

[HenrikV]

Hello!

Hope this is the right place to post this, my first post in this fantastic forum!

I recently got this one in, not found by me, found in the UK in the 1970s. I'm assuming it to be some kind of wax seal (?), based on the top. I have had other ancient and medieval wax seals before, but not anything like this, never seen anything like this one. It is very well made, with many small pieces put together to create the thing.

It was said to be around 2000 years old, but i find this hard to believe. I would rather personally assume it to be perhaps 800-1200 years old.

A friend of mine told me it was likely occult related, but i have no idea at all. Anyone have any idea what this could be?

 

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[Oddjob]

Man that is very cool, and if it is worth even half that value it is one heck of a score.

Congrats.

 

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[tamrock]

Nice one DCM. Kind of makes it solved imo.

 

[HenrikV]

You people are the best! Thank you very much for solving this, i really appreciate it! It is fairly identical to the pieces shown by DCM, so i think this is now solved. I believe it was found in York, but i will keep on digging in regards to the location were it was found.

This was a eBay buy, and it was £150.

 

[DCMatt]

You people are the best! Thank you very much for solving this, i really appreciate it! It is fairly identical to the pieces shown by DCM, so i think this is now solved. I believe it was found in York, but i will keep on digging in regards to the location were it was found.

This was a eBay buy, and it was £150.

What a bargain! I'd take that deal any day!

If you sell for a significant profit, please consider making a donation to the forum. We do this for free, but it still costs money...

DCMatt

P.S. Mark Parker ain't got nothing on us...

 

[HenrikV]

What a bargain! I'd take that deal any day!

If you sell for a significant profit, please consider making a donation to the forum. We do this for free, but it still costs money...

DCMatt

P.S. Mark Parker ain't got nothing on us...

Yes, of course, would be happy to donate! We need forums like this, and while i'm a new member even i can tell that this is a great forum.

I enjoy collecting unusual items so i will probably need help in the future as well, so a donation is the least i can do. And i do hope i can help out other ways of course!

Hehe, clearly, will let you know what he says!

 

[Oddjob]

Dude, we can donate to this site? Where is that button at man. I would give, this site is far too golden to not give.

Some of you guys give in a great deal of knowledge, heck it has helped me for sure. I know I have gained more from here in a short time than I would have looking in a book or figuring it out on my own. So it is worth it.

 

[weregolf]

Nice find

 

[DCMatt]

Dude, we can donate to this site? Where is that button at man. I would give, this site is far too golden to not give.

Some of you guys give in a great deal of knowledge, heck it has helped me for sure. I know I have gained more from here in a short time than I would have looking in a book or figuring it out on my own. So it is worth it.

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[seekerGH]

Henrik,

I am a bit sceptical that this is actually a seal. logically, why would there be so many available that are virtually identical? A seal was typically very distinctive to the owner.

My contact, who deals in Roman artifacts, was very certain of what this object was, and in reality, when you look at the object, it would not have worked as a seal for wax or ink.

 

[cw0909]

seeker i wondered about that too, found this, what Henrik has is prob one of these

[h=3]A. Stars of David used for commercial purposes or for decoration[/h]The first publication [1] of the Star of David as an archaeological artifact was, apparently, in 1880, and it tells us that the Star of David served in the Bronze Age as one of the main design models of tools in the UK and France. It is quite clear that this finding had no religious or spiritual significance, and that this Star of David had not been used as a symbol. This conclusion is compatible with more recent findings, in which also the Magen David was used for commercial purposes or for decoration. Thus, for example, "Festos Palace" (Crete), where the Italian archaeologist of Jewish descent Doro Levy [2] discovered the Star of David of the Minoan civilization, was used as a commercial center, and the seals that were found in it were not used by kings but by dealers.

Star of David: The Star of David as an Archaeological Artifact

 

[DCMatt]

seeker i wondered about that too, found this, what Henrik has is prob one of these


Star of David: The Star of David as an Archaeological Artifact

the seals that were found in it were not used by kings but by dealers.

(Emphasis added)

But they were still seals...

Hey, I don't make this sh!t up. I only report what I find on the internet. And I do my best to not 'spin' it in any way.

Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.


DCMatt

 

[cw0909]

thanks DC, i should have bold/highlite that

forgot a link, 2 styles of the star of david seal

http://store.barakatgallery.com/?s=Star+of+David+Bronze+Seal

 

[seekerGH]

These 'seals' all have the pin holder in the back, and well worn at that. I dont think they have this correct. There are at least 2 of these that look exactly like the one Henrik has, and this is a seal?

Sorry, but I am going with cloak fastener, not a seal.



Reason or purpose for the pin hole in the back? If this was to hang around the neck as other seals, it would be worn (rounded) in one directiion, not all around.

They have several 'seals'. looking at the backs, I dont see seal, I see a decorative fastener. The smaller openings are for the sash, to attach to the cloak. No need for a seal to have any of this.SEALS

Here are 2 others...same type of fastener with slightly different decorations on the front

DCMatt

P.S. Mark Parker ain't got nothing on us...

Hey, I don't make this sh!t up. I only report what I find on the internet. And I do my best to not 'spin' it in any way.

Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.

the seals that were found in it were not used by kings but by dealers.

Historically, dealers seals were all very different.

who do you think is 'spinning'?

 

[cw0909]

after looking at these stamp seals im going with seal
i lost the link,but during the empire/s expansions the
silk road sort of created franchises, folks would go buy
and bring back a product, to make more $ the merchant
would open shops elsewhere, along the silk road. maybe
that is why there are many of the same seal
all the toga fibula designs,ive seen use the spring or hing types

stamp seals
Seal Boxes


Fibula Design, Construction and PartsThere are three primary fibula designs - bow fibulae, plate fibulae, and penannular fibulae. Bow fibulae are the most common type and were made in all the time periods and by most of the cultures that used fibulae. Some post-Roman Germanic and Slavic fibulae consist of two flat plates connected by a short bow and are known as bow-plate or plate-bow fibulae.
Fibulae pins are either spring or hing types.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fibula

 

[seekerGH]

Went back to my contact, agrees they have better use as a seal. Still wondering why they all look exactly the same.