Man Pleads Guilty To Fenn/Yellowstone Digging; Faces 12 In Stir

MiddenMonster said:
They say he caused "more than $1,000 worth of damages". I'm not disputing that he caused damage, but $1,000 doesn't seem like much in the scheme of things. They could calculate that by sending a crew of 5 people out to fill in some holes and totaling their wages, fuel costs along with wear and tear on the vehicles and the time costs in filling out the paperwork plus creating the press release for their website. Now he faces 12 years in prison and $270,000 in fines. Sucks to be him...

Treasure Hunter Pleads Guilty To Digging In Yellowstone
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seems a little harshh but I dont know enough to say. If someone is digging an actual grave they should be bubbas B for a decade or more but if it was way less serious this is insane. ....menawhile child molesters get an ankle bracelet and an online fan club. Society is bunk
 

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If he only had to pay a fine, he might be tempted to do it again.
With 'time' added to the fine, that should an adequate deterrant for he and others not to do this again.
The 'time' fits the crime; time off for good behavior, no doubt, will be considered.
Don......
 

When I went into LE in 1997 I was told under no circumstances to trust the Feds. "They don't play fair and you have to live around these folks." was the gist of it. We worked regularly with all the alphabet agencies and never did they have the best interest of local LEOs or their agencies in minid.

My guess is that he took a plea deal with 1) an agreement of no or greatly reduced jail time and a fine in accordance with his takings, earnings and net worth and/or 2) they caught him or a family member in a lie and used that to coerce him into a plea of guilty. They can lie to you but if you so much as give an account contrary, even slightly, to your wife (or whoever they are interrogating) they WILL use that against you both. I suppose at this late date his sentence could or has been verified.

As for his activities, sounds like he earned a trip to the hoosegow.
 

ADHD_Outdoors said:
they caught him or a family member in a lie and used that to coerce him into a plea of guilty. They can lie to you but if you so much as give an account contrary, even slightly, to your wife (or whoever they are interrogating) they WILL use that against you both.
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That's why I would always exercise my 5th Amendment rights if the feds are trying to interrogate me. They represent the interests of the United States, and I'm not competent to represent my interests when up against them. They can either arrest me and give me a lawyer who has a fiduciary responsibility to represent my interests, or they can let me go. If they have evidence of a crime on me, they don't need my statement, but I would certainly need a lawyer.
 

MiddenMonster said:
That's why I would always exercise my 5th Amendment rights if the feds are trying to interrogate me. They represent the interests of the United States, and I'm not competent to represent my interests when up against them. They can either arrest me and give me a lawyer who has a fiduciary responsibility to represent my interests, or they can let me go. If they have evidence of a crime on me, they don't need my statement, but I would certainly need a lawyer.
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100%!
 

not related to the substance of the story, but this is the NY Times and I will not be subscribing.
 

It just seems the penalty is more severe for digging with a metal detector then if they killed someone
 

In digging history, we either confirm or destroy narratives. In this age of information dominance, folks stand to loose big time if their messaging is placed in question.
 

While working at Yellowstone one of the things that we were MADE to be aware of IS METAL DETECTORS , Your not even allowed to HAVE one in Yellowstone in your possesion. I love metal detecting but even I know not to bring trouble upon myself in the Park. sStrange thing about that is, FIREARMS , your allowed to have them in the park, but not allow to discharge them or carry them into Buildings posted not to be armed while entering
 

Riverbum said:
I love metal detecting but even I know not to bring trouble upon myself in the Park. sStrange thing about that is, FIREARMS , your allowed to have them in the park, but not allow to discharge them or carry them into Buildings posted not to be armed while entering
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But it's OK to bring in ground penetrating radar, right?:laughing7:

As for firearms, are you saying you are not allowed to discharge them at all? As in if you are being attacked by a bear or mountain lion it's "good luck Mr. Gorsky" and you can't protect yourself?
 

You are allowed to have a detector in your vehicle in a National Park as long as it is taken apart and there are no batteries in it and it stays in your vehicle. The last time I was in Yellowstone (2008) I talked to a park ranger at headquarters about the detector in my car, ranger told me as long as it had no batteries in it and was dismantled I was not violating the law.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
You are allowed to have a detector in your vehicle in a National Park as long as it is taken apart and there are no batteries in it and it stays in your vehicle.
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Sounds like the treasure hunting equivalent of Section 926, the federal law relating to the interstate transportation of firearms. You unload the firearm and separate the ammunition from it, then lock the firearm away in the trunk or lock box. In theory that's how you keep from getting arrested if you get stopped in a place like New York or New Jersey; the federal law overrides the state law. But in reality a lot of people get rousted and put through a lot of hassle anyway.
 

MiddenMonster said:
But it's OK to bring in ground penetrating radar, right?:laughing7:

As for firearms, are you saying you are not allowed to discharge them at all? As in if you are being attacked by a bear or mountain lion it's "good luck Mr. Gorsky" and you can't protect yourself?
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That is something I don't know. I know If one is attacking ME and I happen to be armed well , in the end I'll be alive...and maybe in jail
 

MiddenMonster said:
But it's OK to bring in ground penetrating radar, right?:laughing7:

As for firearms, are you saying you are not allowed to discharge them at all? As in if you are being attacked by a bear or mountain lion it's "good luck Mr. Gorsky" and you can't protect yourself?
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You can shoot pretty much any animal in self-defense in the USA. After you shoot the animal it is important what you do if you want to avoid fines. Once the fight is over and you know you are safe you need to call the forest service. If you don't know their number call 911 and they can and will help you.

In Florida under our law "no gun", signs carry no weight of law as long as if told to leave you leave, if you refuse to leave it is "armed trespass, in Wyoming, it is the opposite "no gun" signs carry the weight of law and you can be arrested for carrying in a building marked no guns.
 

T_H some rangers told me if you have batteries in your detector an d they know it your fined and probably going to JAIL !!
 

Gare said:
T_H some rangers told me if you have batteries in your detector an d they know it your fined and probably going to JAIL !!
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I was told by a ranger supervisor in Yellowstone that as long as I removed the batteries and dismantled it and left it in the vehicle while in the park I would be fine.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
I was told by a ranger supervisor in Yellowstone that as long as I removed the batteries and dismantled it and left it in the vehicle while in the park I would be fine.
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Thats what they basically told me ALSO
 

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