M.C. Rice found a treasure map inside a pocket watch in 1934?

[Robot]

Excuse Me Sir...Would You Have The Time?

The Watch in your possession appears to be a 1920's era Waltham Colonial Hunter Style Pocket Watch.

What is unique with this era of watch were its numerals being...standard...with offset numbers...best seen in the number 11



Have you looked inside the cover for any markings?

 

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[Dshow]

The Watch in your possession appears to be a 1920's era Waltham Colonial Hunter Style Pocket Watch.

What is unique with this era of watch were its numerals being...standard...with offset numbers...best seen in the number 11

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Have you looked inside the cover for any markings?

Hello and thank you for replying,

The watch in my possession is older than the 1920's this was back in the late 1800's. It does look to have the same body type. But the thing about this watch is not how old it is, but what the watch is capable of and what it shows. That's why I was looking for someone who was willing to check it out. But have yet to find the resource needed.

The watch here is unique, priceless even. I know for a fact that it holds valuable information. This watch is one of a kind. I'm just looking for the connection or contact to lead me in the right direction like an archaeologist or someone of that caliber.

Again Thanks for replying and offering the information that you gave.

 

[Robot]

If One Watches Your...Watch...One Might Get....Confused!

Hello and thank you for replying,

The watch in my possession is older than the 1920's this was back in the late 1800's. It does look to have the same body type. But the thing about this watch is not how old it is, but what the watch is capable of and what it shows. That's why I was looking for someone who was willing to check it out. But have yet to find the resource needed.

The watch here is unique, priceless even. I know for a fact that it holds valuable information. This watch is one of a kind. I'm just looking for the connection or contact to lead me in the right direction like an archaeologist or someone of that caliber.

Again Thanks for replying and offering the information that you gave.

You State...You have "The" Watch...but the picture in the Magazine shows a Watch with Roman Numerals?



Your Watch... you state is from late 1800's has offset Standard Numerals?



The "Only" Pocket Watch made with these Offset Standard Numeral Numbers...I believe was not produced until the 1920's...By Waltham Pocket Watch Colonial Hunter Style Series!



Again... Would you have any markings inside to proof this?

 

[Dshow]

The watch in that picture is a drawing of what they believed the watch to look like. They never actually saw the watch itself. There was a discussion about this on the other thread that I started, but it got taken down. Either way I wasn't worried about the age as much as what the watch can show.
Too often people twist stories and add opinions to generate traffic and attention. I'm not here for that. How old the watch is means little to what the watch is capable of. What I know for sure is that this watch holds information of value.

 

[Kace]

The watch in that picture is a drawing of what they believed the watch to look like. They never actually saw the watch itself. There was a discussion about this on the other thread that I started, but it got taken down. Either way I wasn't worried about the age as much as what the watch can show.
Too often people twist stories and add opinions to generate traffic and attention. I'm not here for that. How old the watch is means little to what the watch is capable of. What I know for sure is that this watch holds information of value.

Like on the other thread you had...You're going to have to be more specific to get anyone to help you. There's a lot of Very Knowledgeable members here that are always willing to help, but you've got to give them something to work with.

Your Title of the Thread says M.C. Rice..You say your watch is older than what's been pointed out about it.

What is your watch capable of besides telling time? What is more Valueable about your watch than any other watch like it? Be Specific On The Information You Said It Holds.

Please Give People Something To Work With....Then They Will Help. They Always Do.

Thanks,
Kace

 

[MiddenMonster]

The watch in my possession is older than the 1920's this was back in the late 1800's. It does look to have the same body type. But the thing about this watch is not how old it is, but what the watch is capable of and what it shows. That's why I was looking for someone who was willing to check it out. But have yet to find the resource needed.

Since you are seeking information, and people here have differing opinions about the age of the watch, wouldn't the logical move be to actually have the watch looked at by a watch collector and get a precise date? Then post that information here and that aspect will be settled once and for all. Does it have a serial number or some other mark to indicate who the craftsman was who made the watch? The Antiques Roadshow crew has no problem establishing a date range, and I'm betting pretty much any watch collector can do the same. In fact, there is probably at least one organization within 25 miles of where you live that can do this. Approach the problem analytically and reduce the questions to binaries, i.e. yes or no, this or that, etc. First, get the watch evaluated. If the watch is 19th century you are still in the ball game. If it is 20th century the game changes. Either way, you know where you stand.

 

[Dshow]

Thank you for replying.

Again we are not inquiring about the age of the watch but what it shows and how it shows. As said before the watch has the ability to show a picture of a map. There is not much more information to give until someone is willing and able to contact me. The Road show will only tell me about age of the watch. There was a secret put in the watch that many people won't understand. As the old Pirate saying goes... (A dead man can not tell any secrets.)

 

[MiddenMonster]

Again we are not inquiring about the age of the watch but what it shows and how it shows. As said before the watch has the ability to show a picture of a map. There is not much more information to give until someone is willing and able to contact me. The Road show will only tell me about age of the watch. There was a secret put in the watch that many people won't understand. As the old Pirate saying goes... (A dead man can not tell any secrets.)

I'm definitely curious about all this, but you seem to be unnecessarily vague about what information you are soliciting. Who is the "we" to which you are referring? Are you saying that this is definitely the watch M.C. Rice found in 1934? If so, when people inquire about the age of the watch it is a euphemism for questioning the provenance of the watch. If the provenance can't be verified, the watch's abilities, maps and secrets it may hold are of questionable value. The information that is already public appears to be the only information available: M.C. Rice found a watch with a map in it and almost died along with his family trying to follow it, and the general consensus of history is that this was all a hoax. Now, the only probative evidence remaining is the watch itself. It makes sense that people are going to want to look at that for clues as to how to proceed. First and foremost is the age of the watch. If it is newer than what the legend implies, the chances of this being the M.C. Rice watch diminish. It could still contain a map to a real treasure, possibly one worth a lot more. So if you can't, or don't care about the age of the watch, tell us how you came to be in possession of it, and why you believe it to be the M.C. Rice watch.

 

[Dshow]

Yes I have to be vague with the information as I have came across problems with revealing it in the pass. I was looking for someone who would be willing to meet with me personally instead of giving all of its information online. I understand people might think it's a setup but that's the chances we take in life. Either you win or you miss out. Have a great day and Happy Easter

 

[KANACKI]

Yes I have to be vague with the information as I have came across problems with revealing it in the pass. I was looking for someone who would be willing to meet with me personally instead of giving all of its information online. I understand people might think it's a setup but that's the chances we take in life. Either you win or you miss out. Have a great day and Happy Easter

Hello Dshow. I assume you posted here for advise? While I can understand you not wanting to disclose the alleged directions that the alleged watch contains. But by not being prepared to clarify Provence of how you obtained is hardly helping your quest is it?

While one previous post mentioned to take the watch to antique specialist? You more less fobbed off that good advise? I just cannot see the point in you bothering to post the thread to begin with asking for advice when it appears you have already come to your own preconceived conclusions?

I really hope You have some thing amazing and find fortune and glory? However I will not be holding my breath.

Happy Easter too.

Kanacki

 

[MiddenMonster]

Yes I have to be vague with the information as I have came across problems with revealing it in the pass. I was looking for someone who would be willing to meet with me personally instead of giving all of its information online. I understand people might think it's a setup but that's the chances we take in life. Either you win or you miss out. Have a great day and Happy Easter

Look at it from the other side of the equation. You want someone to meet with you personally. That's fine. But on what information would they driving/flying hundreds or thousands of miles to meet you? You've posted a picture of what you say is the watch in which M.C. Rice found a treasure map. On the other hand, newspaper accounts indicate that the whole map-in-a-watch story was a hoax, and that hoax almost cost the lives of M.C. Rice and his family. Is it not reasonable for people to ask how you got the watch, the line of possession before it got to you and why you believe it to be the actual M.C. Rice watch, i.e. the provenance? That's exactly the first thing any expert is going to want to establish for any item of value. If I went to any antique jewel expert with an emerald I said once belonged to the King of Prussia, the first order of business (outside whether or not it is a real emerald) would be to map out how I came to posses the emerald, how the person before me came to possess the emerald, and on back until it could be placed in the hands of the King of Prussia. Short of that it's just an emerald. To that end, is it your watch a real emerald? In other words, does the watch date to the period required for it to be considered possible--or probable that it is the M.C. Rice watch? You aren't concerned about the date, but the people who would be traveling to meet you are. Second, you got the watch somehow. And the person from whom you got the watch got it somehow. So somehow, this watch allegedly took a circuitous route through history from Toronto (where M.C. Rice was a watch repairman) to Brunswick, Georgia (which is the location you list below your avatar). That's a long, strange trip through time and space that people are going to want explained with answers. And note that we haven't even gotten to the point where we are wanting to know specifics about a map, or what the watch does, or anything specific about the watch and how it might hold or give away the location some booty (the spending kind, not the lovin' kind). No one is asking for details to secrets or any information that would allow them to scoop your find. So unless you looted a grave to get it or executed a black bag job of some kind, none of those questions require any secrecy on your part to protect information specific to the watch you have.

 

[Dshow]

Hello,

The watch was obtained in Boston at an estate sale. It made it's way to Brunswick by way of me of course. There is not a physical map in the watch but the watch actually reveals it through light. I dont mind receiving advice but I also want to make sure I am protected because I know there are wicked people out there. I have been trying to filter the responses and staying away from the negativity. I have been at this for a long time and just want to be able to meet with someone. I understand they would want more information, but that is what the messages are for. So as far as the thread, I dont want to put to much out there. But if they are serious about reaching out than they will.

 

[Philvis]

Hello,

The watch was obtained in Boston at an estate sale. It made it's way to Brunswick by way of me of course. There is not a physical map in the watch but the watch actually reveals it through light. I dont mind receiving advice but I also want to make sure I am protected because I know there are wicked people out there. I have been trying to filter the responses and staying away from the negativity. I have been at this for a long time and just want to be able to meet with someone. I understand they would want more information, but that is what the messages are for. So as far as the thread, I dont want to put to much out there. But if they are serious about reaching out than they will.

I'm not questioning you, but asking out of curiosity. When you purchased this watch at the estate sale, was a history attached to the watch at the time of the sale, or was it 'discovered' later? Did the parchment paper letter mentioned in the article come with it (if it was, I'm assuming the history was made known at time of sale)? Have you been able to find some possible candidates of places the map shows?

 

[MiddenMonster]

The watch was obtained in Boston at an estate sale. It made it's way to Brunswick by way of me of course.

There is not a physical map in the watch but the watch actually reveals it through light.

This is good information to provide. It shows the route the watch took to get to you. As @Philvis asked, do you have any information regarding how it got from Toronto to the estate sale? Also, the information you provided differs from the original article about the M.C. Rice watch. The article states that there was a circular map that was drawn and placed in the watch. If your watch reveals a map through light, are you saying that you don't believe this to be the M.C. Rice watch? Or do you believe that this is a watch containing a map to a different treasure? That's a pretty big difference between what you have and the article states.

 

[Dshow]

I do not know how the watch made it from Canada to Boston. There was no paperwork nor story that came along with the watch. It came in a package deal that came with other items. So I had to research what I had for myself. I've had it looked at once before and was threatened because of its worth. I never got the information I needed for the watch at that point. That's why I have to take extra steps to protect myself while dealing with this.

You mentioned the story and picture in the magazine article. That picture in the magazine was a cartoon drawing of what they believe the watch to look like. It was a story that was told to the reporter and he did what he had to do a as reporter to sell the story.

Think about it. If the story in the article had all facts then I'm pretty sure they would've taken a real photograph of Rice and the watch together instead of a drawing. They did have cameras back then, so it stands to reason why they didn't just take a photo of him and the watch.


I'm not saying that I don't believe that this is Rice watch. I just believe that the story could've been manipulated and left out or change some details about it. The article is not the full story.

 

[MiddenMonster]

I've had it looked at once before and was threatened because of its worth. I never got the information I needed for the watch at that point. That's why I have to take extra steps to protect myself while dealing with this.

If someone looked at the watch for you and then threatened you, they weren't a reputable person/dealer/appraiser. The worst thing that should happen to you for asking someone to examine a vintage object is that they hand you a bill.

You mentioned the story and picture in the magazine article. That picture in the magazine was a cartoon drawing of what they believe the watch to look like. It was a story that was told to the reporter and he did what he had to do a as reporter to sell the story.

Actually, I'm not concerned with the photo published in the article. Any concerns I have about the watch itself fall into two categories. One is based on the pictures you provided, and comments from others that the age of the watch is too recent to have been the watch M.C. Rice would have looked at. That goes back to provenance, and is something that shouldn't be brushed away so lightly. The second concern is the M.C. Rice story differs significantly from the information you have provided here. His watch had a map that was drawn on something and hidden in the watch. Your watch has a map that appears to be incorporated into the watch and can be seen using light in some way. That's no minor difference. Is it possible that you have a watch that has a map to a different treasure, not connected with the M.C. Rice treasure map? If so, that would be just as cool, if not cooler since the general consensus is that the M.C. Rice treasure map was part of a hoax.

 

[Dshow]

At the end of the day I'm just concerned about the watch. It does have its differences from the details that was provided in the stories about M.C. Rice. I am going to get this watch looked at once I find the right person. That way everything can be proven for with it is. At this point my only concern is to deal with facts about this whole thing.

 

[MiddenMonster]

At the end of the day I'm just concerned about the watch. It does have its differences from the details that was provided in the stories about M.C. Rice. I am going to get this watch looked at once I find the right person. That way everything can be proven for with it is. At this point my only concern is to deal with facts about this whole thing.

I think that getting a qualified person to look at the watch is your best move on this. And by all means find someone you trust. In terms of facts, dating the watch should be the primary objective. Everything else derives from that.

 

[Dshow]

I would like to thank Treasure Net for all that it has done. It has bought attention and alot of views to the watch. Some good some bad but still helped in a big way. There was alot of information shared through this website and now the watch is getting even more popular through the net. I see and know what's going on and how to deal with it. Again Thank you

 

[MiddenMonster]

I would like to thank Treasure Net for all that it has done. It has bought attention and alot of views to the watch. Some good some bad but still helped in a big way. There was alot of information shared through this website and now the watch is getting even more popular through the net. I see and know what's going on and how to deal with it. Again Thank you

So care to update us on what is going on? Posters providing information to the forum as a whole is the primary way people get closure around here. And probably 85% of the time, posters ask their questions and disappear when they get their answers without ever giving us that closure.