little bit of humor miners revenge

[2cmorau]

KS Wild Truth - Environmentalism Exposed!: Fish Not Gold? I'd Rather Have Gold, Not Fish or Felons!

 

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[Bronze]

Doesnt surprise me a bit. Most environmentalists have some type of criminal background or get involved in criminal activity. What really cracks me up is when they say it doesnt cost anything for an HPA. Last I checked it was $150 and to the best of my knowledge, its non-refundable.

When I see people like the "fish not gold" or "occupy" or what ever maligned group of activists that cant think without having an emotional break down....I just think to myself, "bless their hearts". Thats grandma code for "you're an idiot".

 

[Hoser John]

I read in the local yokel paper last week that the INSIDEOUS bill passed as a EMERGENCY measure because dredgers create mercury soooooooooooo much bs. God I'd love to be wrong but read to my son and he flipped out too. Paper wrong?? John

 

[fowledup]

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of idjits, but after reading that article my blood is boiling. Not because of a crooked attorney/politician or the misguided and jaded environmentalist. I'm pizzed at the FREAKEN miner! Look what his one little BS "it's mine all mine" attitude did. Rather than take the opportunity to make a friend and possibly educate a posssible future advocate. He blew it and jaded another person from a user group who is in just as much jeopardy of losing their access to the land as we are. He scorned the person and ran them off! Nothing on earth like a woman scorned- isn't that how the saying goes? Look at the reach this person was able to obtain and see how far she was able to spread "the same old tired" misinformation". Being a person who knows how hard it is to get the real story published and in the publics eye- this kills me!. IT DOESN"T MATTER IF THE FACTS ARE LEGIT OR NOT she reached a huge audience and created more enemies and folks against mining because of one bad encounter with a thoughtless knucklehead "miner".

 

[2cmorau]

The Courts -- U.S. District Court, Seattle -- Arrested


U.S. District Court, Seattle Arrested: Kimberlee A. McDonald, a former attorney and a former Bellevue resident, on seven counts of bank fraud and four counts of mail fraud, Monday, in Ryebrook, N.Y.
McDonald - who should not be confused with Renton attorney Kimberly A. McDonald - was secretly indicted last week in federal court in Seattle. She was charged with defrauding Rainier National Bank, Security Pacific Bank, Seafirst Bank, Washington Mutual Savings Bank and Metropolitan Federal Savings and Loan.
McDonald, 38, is accused of manipulating accounts at the banks by writing worthless checks totaling $170,000, drawn against various trust accounts she maintained. She would then deposit the checks to other accounts or use the money for partial payment of a loan, according to prosecutors. She also is accused of inappropriately using $220,000 entrusted to her by her clients.

Kim McDonald says:
February 12, 2014 at 2:14 pm
Pete:
You’re correct, it’s HB2579. This piece was written based on a draft copy that was shared by Rep. Tarleton.
Thanks for catching it!
Fish, Not Gold | Wild Steelhead Coalition

are these two of the same?

 

[Goldwasher]

What local paper John...a name so we can hunt down the article?

Interesting any time you read a link to a groups anti- mining news. The comments normally contain NUMEROUS miners chiming in and giving their sides and facts. and one or two enviro-zealots calling them stupid...but, there is almost always more pro-mining comments on their own articles...people support this a lot less than is perceived. That is why not letting misinformation go to far especially in our own circles.

 

[goldenIrishman]

Yeah... I've got to agree with you Fowled. That miner blew it big time. (Then again, did this encounter really happen?) It kind of reminds me of the old saying..."When we do good, no one remembers. When we do wrong, no one forgets!"

WE have an organized enemy with a message that is popular with the people (even if it IS wrong) and to top it off they're well funded. Every miner should be treating the people they meet out in the field as nicely as possible and taking the time to explain just what they're doing and how it HELPS the environment. You never know just who you can run into out there and they just might be able to help our cause if we just talk to them and show how they've been misled.

 

[Goldwasher]

Yeah... I've got to agree with you Fowled. That miner blew it big time. (Then again, did this encounter really happen?) It kind of reminds me of the old saying..."When we do good, no one remembers. When we do wrong, no one forgets!"

WE have an organized enemy with a message that is popular with the people (even if it IS wrong) and to top it off they're well funded. Every miner should be treating the people they meet out in the field as nicely as possible and taking the time to explain just what they're doing and how it HELPS the environment. You never know just who you can run into out there and they just might be able to help our cause if we just talk to them and show how they've been misled.

I have a hard time believing it is real. Anyone catch and releaser non miner who reads that...is like"totally" because they invision it as a common encounter even though they havn't experienced it.
Remember these uber consrvationists are breaking into this world...they spending way less time out doors vs. the locals and prospectors Their only real representation within the their own community is their own blogs and they barely take part...they let others lobby and give money..and will say what ever they can to show how much more etchical they are vs. "regular" anglers...Go ahead try to hang out with some die-hards tell them you fish with a Rooster -tail and enjoyed your pine fried Brookies in camp and see if they still want to share their Miller 64 with you.
just as John has illustrated above...we can no longer fall into " I read in the paper the other day"....speak up spread every bit of anti info you see.. But, keep in mind we don't need to win ourselves over. We have to speak up to those that oppose us. More importantly As Golden Irishman was saying.... If the rare instance occurs where we are conversing with another person in the field that is sharing our space. Be respectful and educated. If its your claim don't try to boot anyone who is hiking, fishing,hunting or just looking around. there is a very good opportunity to be an ambassador for our activities. There is a good chance you will be the first prospector they have ever talked to. for all of our sakes make it count.
as far as those year old articles go..I was barely a paragraph in before it was evident someone was writing a whales tale to stroke their buddies egos !

the truth of all of this still lies with the fact that you can log in right now....print your pamphlet read your current unchanged regs and go dig...sluice, power sluice and dredge in Washington in many areas.....RIGHT NOW!!

 

[releventchair]

I don't mine rivers here in the midwest. Don't object to the idea though unless commercial, giant scale.
I do fish them.
Were someone working a site my sensible option would be to work fish upstream of them.
Unless a stream was solid silt for a quarter mile downstream the activities of others stirring up the bottom would be of no concern.
Even then, each spring thaw the steams get blown out here. Clean gravel vs silted in gravel are going to be choice spawning areas when available ,regardless of how the gravel gets stirred out of season.
Spawning trout and salmon stir it up good too releasing silt while creating a bed, to drop eggs into. Oxygen is required for eggs. That and temp are the big factors in areas natural reproduction is viable.
Stream bank flora and fauna affect feed and temp too.
Homes here too often include manicured lawns up to the waters edge and benefits only the owners possessive eye.
Yes I understand seasons for mining in streams exist and than spawning gravel is not a choice for seeking gold.
We have cautions/consumption advisories due to naturally and introduced occurring mercury in our waters.
Nothing new or deliriously frightful about that.

Good luck miners.
I'll ogle the pretty fish, and you can be sure that I would ogle any pretty gold too.
A mixed bag would make for a great day.
No reason here to declare either desire a greater right without proof of harm by either party.
If mining offends, so does fishing line strewn about on the banks and under water as well as hooks.
Lead substitutes for sinkers is less effective so lead is a choice where legal and is found in quantity in popular areas. I've hand picked plenty.
Litter and the stress on a fought fish factor too ,so do your thing out there and I'll do mine.
Wave ,maybe chat, but allow freedom even if leaving each other alone is required. There's room enough if every one is not pissin in the water or on each other.

 

[Adventure_Time]

Let's start a campaign against west coast fishers, exactly how much lead have they contributed to the water ways? I'm afraid to swim anywhere, or put my hands in the water, that gets fished regularly thanks to all the lead and hooks and beer cans fishermen leave behind. As they say... when in Rome...

 

[releventchair]

They'll just switch to tungsten weights, bronze hooks with 3/8 gaps or smaller that dissolve quickly compared to stainless.
The newer braided lines are what annoy me the most. Get tangled and you need to cut them rather than break them.
There's enough fights about lead.
No longer allowed for waterfowl. Debated out west in condor country, despite their appetite's for all manner of lost human hardware.
It has been a boon for solid copper bullet manufacturers.
A couple clean up days a year might go farther with both groups involved.
I;d wear a trout and miners sponsored clean up tee shirt fishing or mining.
It is those in the real world/water arena (vs those who are arguing in board rooms or capitol buildings with biased information) that see the true effects of regulations.

 

[fowledup]

Adventure time- I'm sure your being facetious so I won't say you miss the point entirely, lol. Seriously tho I doubt most prospectors/miners realize the importance of all of us working together to maintain public use land access . We have to show and promote the symbiotic relationship ALL user groups of the public land share. For example; We don't have to oppose the side aspects such as lead from fishing. Instead we can show how our efforts balance out theirs by our retrieval of the lead. Which subsequently creates another commodity or revenue source for us. Whether or not they realize it, all of our continued use of the public lands depends on it. What is important for us miners to convey to the others is what the importance of mining has to their own use. That being- Miners are the only user group with a guaranteed right as written by congress granting them access to the public lands of the United States. No other group can say that- not hunters, fisherman, loggers, hikers, campers, bird watchers, off roaders or ranchers. We are their protection. To fight for our demize or against any other user group only serves to hasten the loss of their own use.

 

[arizau]

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of idjits, but after reading that article my blood is boiling. Not because of a crooked attorney/politician or the misguided and jaded environmentalist. I'm pizzed at the FREAKEN miner! Look what his one little BS "it's mine all mine" attitude did. Rather than take the opportunity to make a friend and possibly educate a posssible future advocate. He blew it and jaded another person from a user group who is in just as much jeopardy of losing their access to the land as we are. He scorned the person and ran them off! Nothing on earth like a woman scorned- isn't that how the saying goes? Look at the reach this person was able to obtain and see how far she was able to spread "the same old tired" misinformation". Being a person who knows how hard it is to get the real story published and in the publics eye- this kills me!. IT DOESN"T MATTER IF THE FACTS ARE LEGIT OR NOT she reached a huge audience and created more enemies and folks against mining because of one bad encounter with a thoughtless knucklehead "miner".

The woman's story of the encounter seems to be mostly or entirely made up about the encounter. Usually claim signs are marked as federal mining claims with other particulars on them and not as she reported. All serious prospectors know their claims are not private per se but they do legally restrict mining usage to the owners or their assigns. Her story is BS from start to finish.

 

[fowledup]

The woman's story of the encounter seems to be mostly or entirely made up about the encounter. Usually claim signs are marked as federal mining claims with other particulars on them and not as she reported. All serious prospectors know their claims are not private per se but they do legally restrict mining usage to the owners or their assigns. Her story is BS from start to finish.

I get that, and in this instance that may very well be a case of sensationalistic "journalism". However sadly it does happen, I've witnessed it person on the river. Kinda of entertaining to watch a blowhard wither and back peddle when shown they know about a tenth of what their trying to convince you they do. Anywho, whether or not that specific tale of bu--sh-- soup is factual or not doesn't change the intent of my post. I just want to make the point that it's more important that we start to unite the user groups rather than divide them. I don't know what to do about the majority of the extremist environmentalists who never have or never will look at both sides of an issue. Let alone seek comprimise. But I do know, if the rest of us don't change our ways and start coming together we will finish the job for then.

 

[goldenIrishman]

That has always been our main problem Fowled. Lack of organization. Generally speaking, we miners are too independent for our own good at times. We are too used to working alone or only in small groups. When it come to getting everyone working together it's like herding cats. Maybe we should have a little contest here on TN to see who can come up with the best handout for miners to carry with them to give to people they meet out in the field. It wouldn't have to be much, simple statements of facts.