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[itmaiden]

Did any of you salvors consider that maybe "the ship" landed "upside down" and therefore the treasure is "under the ballast pile" ?

Send me some Gold if I'm right.
Oh...a handful of high quality emeralds
and about 20 pieces of the queens jewels including her crown, my crown.

Descendent of the Original House of Aragon,
itmaiden

 

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[FISHEYE]

Wooden Ships that use tons and tons of treasure and stones for ballast very rarely have any room to turn turtle and land upside down in 40 feet of water or less.The ships bounced off the bottom starting in 30-40 feet of water in 30 foot waves.Keels got cracked,splintered and broken,decks,masts,sails and rigging got sheared right off from the high winds.By the time the ships sank im sure there wasnt much left with all contents being scattered from the outer reefs to the beaches.There may have been some large pieces of the hull still intact for awhile but not long with them being battered by the waves and rolling around on the bottom.
Have you ever been in really really bad weather on a modern boat like in a cat 2 or 3 hurricane?If you have,then you will know that those people on those little wooden ships had a very hard time of surviving that storm.If you were down below the chances of surviving were slim due to items falling or crushing you.If you were on deck,you could be swept away by the wind or water or get tangled up in fallen rigging and sails.Im sure the captains were busy trying to steer the ships away from the reefs till thier rudders were broken off.Its kinda hard to give orders to your crew in winds over 100mph.The only thing you could do would be to lash yourself to something solid on the ship and grin and bare it. And hope you dont go down with the ship before you could untie yourself.And of course the big grey taxi cabs are waiting for you when you hit the water.

 

[itmaiden]

Yea I understand, but not impossible.
itmaiden

Wooden Ships that use tons and tons of treasure and stones for ballast very rarely have any room to turn turtle and land upside down in 40 feet of water or less.The ships bounced off the bottom starting in 30-40 feet of water in 30 foot waves.

 

[pcolaboy]

Four years ago there was a mid-16th century Spanish galley found buried upside down onshore of Pensacola Naval Air Station when rebuilding a facility lost to Hurricane Ivan in 2004. The vessel was 'in-ballast' and largely intact. In the true spirit of 'preservation', the state archaeologists only undertook a brief survey of a relatively small exposed section of the vessel and then had it rebuired in the sand for future archaeologists to study .

The initial survey led them to believe that this vessel was probably in the 250-300 ton range in size with an estimated keel length of 100' and 28' of beam.

The really baffling piece of this is that it was buried under 50-60' of sand 100 yards north of the historical shoreline. It undoubtedly was brought ashore during a hurricane at which point it was probably quickly buried to some degree by erosion from the sandy cliffs on the northern edge of the site.

 

[User]

Did any of you salvors consider that maybe "the ship" landed "upside down" and therefore the treasure is "under the ballast pile" ?

It is possible near the shore line/on shoal with extremely high winds and giant waves that going higher a twice in shallow waters at the moment of crush of the the vessel.

 

[ivan salis]

once the bottom of the ships hull breached and burst to bits ---most ships dumped their heavy bottom loaded ballast out the bottom of the hull making a sizible ballast pile ( some heavy chest of gold items could also have gotten into the mix as well since they too often were carried low in hold basically acting as "ballast" as well)--- the old wooden ships hulls if they did not hit a reef and start breaking up in deeper water off shore first first , got beat to death from the steady hard slamming up & down on the bottom in the shallows as ship fell and rose with the huge waves --breaking her back and pounding her to death , breaking her to bits in the process.

from what I've been able to find out -- the queens jewels was sent in the care of a man who was on the capitina of Ubilla --he died in the wreck of the vessel -- its thought they were within his lockible "portible"desk