lead artifact/galena?

[GatorBoy]

I found this a while back on one of the best sites I ever hunted.
I've been trying to research this on and off without much headway.
The photos don't show much detail and I'm hesitant to clean it any further.
I belive it is a pendant with the loop broken.
Has anyone seen anything like this?







This site had artifacts from early archaic all the way through contact including worked glass arrowheads and Spanish coins dating to the early 1600's

 

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[hbrown22]

The shape reminds me of a kokopelli.

 

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[unclemac]

..which it is sooooo NOT!

 

[DCMatt]

It does appear to have been made in a mold.

This was the first thing that popped into my head:



DCMatt

 

[kuger]

looks like a scorpion!

 

[timekiller]

Ok seems how I already posted on this & some still seem to see something.I did a little experiment.Here's my results.I took loose sand just like where he probably found it flattened it smooth like would be on undisturbed beach sand & took a torch to some scrap lead.First I melted it off the sand fairly high say like a couple feet it tried to splatter at that height which in the pic. is the result at the top of my fingers.Then I lowered it to less then a foot which is the result in my palm.Just like I thought the lead is so heavy it pushes the sand down when it hit giving it a mold look before it cools.Now add a couple hundred years or even a hundred of it rolling around on the beach or even stuck under ground.As I said before I still don't see a pendant just melted lead.But that's just my opinion & we know what they say about opinions....
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[DCMatt]

How about a scornucopia?

DCM

 

[timekiller]

 

[timekiller]

I say sitting around a camp fire melting lead would be just the right height.

 

[larson1951]

Thanks..I will come back to this thread if I have anything as a comparison with more info..since all I have at the moment is very little to go on.
Mabey it's nothing at all..but if you saw where and how this came into my hands and the items with it you would see why my gut tells me it's something.

well doing a temporary move to this what is it? forum will maybe get you some more opinions my friend...and it is getting a few

 

[GatorBoy]

It was found in clay and mud in between stacked native pottery chards and Flint chips with an occasional piece of worked glass,bead and trade pipe and Pinellas point.

 

[ivan salis]

Spanish mission type religious pendant for trade with Indains

 

[GatorBoy]

I'm usually very good at picking up on fine details..and have come to trust my judgement ..that's why I never put this piece aside..I think considering the context it is..or was something along those lines.. it may have seen some fire damage but I just don't believe its a blob that fell on the ground.

 

[unclemac]

not trying to bate you here, but coming from the number one skeptic in the NA artifacts forum...your defense of this blob is rich....

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

it might just be a spill from making bullets?
it sure doesn't look like any native American artifact I ever saw...
I could ask the apache on the computer next to me...but he'd just laugh...

sand cast is a lot more than smoothing out some sand an pouring metal guys...

Hand Molding Method of Sand Casting

 

[timekiller]

it might just be a spill from making bullets?
it sure doesn't look like any native American artifact I ever saw...
I could ask the apache on the computer next to me...but he'd just laugh...

sand cast is a lot more than smoothing out some sand an pouring metal guys...

Hand Molding Method of Sand Casting

Your right but I was not tring to cast nothing.I was just showing what lead would look like say if some one was melting down lead balls and scraped or flung off the excess lead on sand.How it would look is just like his piece to me given time.Nothing more.Cause I see nothing more.But before this gets all out of hand I'll retire my thoughts & welcome any & all new ones.
Take Care,
Pete,

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

sorry, I knew as soon as I posted, my language shold have been more specific...I was agreeing with you...

and I did show the apache...he looked at the page...yea..that arrowhead is native made...{referring to the avatar}

 

[GatorBoy]

No Apaches down here.
No shipwrecks out west either.
There's a lot of artifacts over here that you would have never seen before.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck.
I'm starting to get aggravated now so I will just stop.

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

sorry

 

[unclemac]

...no shipwrecks out west?

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/pearl-ship/12075-pearl-ship.html

well..when I first looked at the piece, I saw this little guy...

but kokopelli never west past the rio grande...there is also a resemblance to a Navajo piece, a "naja"...which is the center hanger on a squash blossom necklace.
{ najas are also made into pins, or stand alone necklaces.}



I will also state, it is clear someone has hit the object with a hammer...on the round spots...so it could be some jewelry object lost during construction...