Large Copper Coin with Slanted Edge Reeding and Two Silver Items

[artifacthunter]

I got out for a few hours last Saturday and hit a couple of sites in northern Maryland. The weather was warm, and the ground had thawed enough to dig without breaking your wrist! The last place I visited had been hit hard in the past, so I was really going slowly, overlapping, and trying to dig the deep stuff. I only dug a few holes, but hit pay dirt a couple of times. I got a repeatable 70-80 VDI number on my White's V3 and the screen indicated 6-7 inches deep. I dug down, and sure enough, a green disk popped out at about 7 inches! It is about 28mm in diameter, just slightly thinner than a large cent, and I cannot make out any images or letters on either side. The edge has slanted or angled edge reeding, and I am trying to do some research on this. I believe some British one penny tokens from the early 1800’s had slanted reeding, but any other ideas are welcome. The other good find I made for the day is a small silver item also about 7 inches down that has threads on each end. Maybe it had something to do with a watch or clock - not sure! I’ve placed a quarter in the picture for scale.

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My friend found what we think is a watch back made of silver. I’ve included a couple of images below. Let me know if you can identify the markings since we could not find a mark of .925 on it.

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Happy Hunting!

 

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[CRUSADER]

Yeap, small item is a fob watch winder (key).

 

[Mackaydon]

The Lion represents the British Standard Sterling mark (925)

 

[CRUSADER]

The Lion represents the British Standard Sterling mark (925)

areed, & London assayers mark, date letter is either 1864 or 1904 can't be sure on either

 

[Mackaydon]

If the mark is JW, I believe its John Whiting (London 1833-1847)

 

[CRUSADER]

If the mark is JW, I believe its John Whiting (London 1833-1847)

doesn't fit the date letter

 

[Mackaydon]

Agreed; I'll favor 1904 since the cartouche appears square in shape around the poster's letter 'i' versus rectangular as in the 1864 version.The mark may also be a 'T' versus a 'J'.

 

[Silver Searcher]

Nice digs I wonder if the watch winder :P goes with the watch back

SS

 

[Don in SJ]

We have found one or two KGII coppers that have marks like that but they were file marks, some of the file marks were very uniform on the edge, so for now the only suggestion I have is a counterfeit KGII that was filed down a bit, if it were a cast counterfeit, cannot tell from the photo.

Other than file marks, I can't say I can ID the copper, but would think along the lines I suggested for now.

Don

 

[artifacthunter]

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far! The watch back was found in a farmed field at least 5 miles from the yard where I found the winder and the coin.

 

[CRUSADER]

Agreed; I'll favor 1904 since the cartouche appears square in shape around the poster's letter 'i' versus rectangular as in the 1864 version.The mark may also be a 'T' versus a 'J'.

Happy that is an 'i' & learning towards 1904 as well

 

[hogge]

We have found one or two KGII coppers that have marks like that but they were file marks, some of the file marks were very uniform on the edge, so for now the only suggestion I have is a counterfeit KGII that was filed down a bit, if it were a cast counterfeit, cannot tell from the photo.

Other than file marks, I can't say I can ID the copper, but would think along the lines I suggested for now.

Don

I also found a CFT. KG III with file marks, to make it look like a reeded edge. Pretty cool. Hogge

 

[gleaner1]

I found an early Canadian token, I think 1814, that has the same slanted reeding. I'll try to get some pics soon.

 

[Roger Mn.]

I'd Like to help you out on the London date marks but my last one was a flop. Good luck on that one.
Nice digs.

 

[allen]

id keep hitting those sites,
they are paying off nicely
with some real cool finds !!

 

[gleaner1]

artifacthunter, not much help here. This one is 27mm, 1815 half penny token, Canadian, but the reeds slant opposite.

 

[tuatara]

Hi,

Fantastic finds Congrats on them!!! As to your watch,

areed, & London assayers mark, date letter is either 1864 or 1904 can't be sure on either

It could have never been 1864 because the letter 'i' of 1864 is script while the letter in your London date mark is serif. For the correct information on date marks please check this website: http://www.bhi.co.uk/aHints/hmarks.html. So the possible years are 1824, 1904. Judging by a shield shape it is most likely 1904. Cannot say anything about the case maker.

 

[Brian(upstateNY-Central Fla.)]

nice finds and good luck on the ID

 

[artifacthunter]

Thanks everyone for the information on hallmarks and the ideas on the coin with slanted reeding. This kind of feedback is what makes this forum so much fun to be a part of!
-Artifacthunter

 

[Patrick1234]

I got out for a few hours last Saturday and hit a couple of sites in northern Maryland. The weather was warm, and the ground had thawed enough to dig without breaking your wrist! The last place I visited had been hit hard in the past, so I was really going slowly, overlapping, and trying to dig the deep stuff. I only dug a few holes, but hit pay dirt a couple of times. I got a repeatable 70-80 VDI number on my White's V3 and the screen indicated 6-7 inches deep. I dug down, and sure enough, a green disk popped out at about 7 inches! It is about 28mm in diameter, just slightly thinner than a large cent, and I cannot make out any images or letters on either side. The edge has slanted or angled edge reeding, and I am trying to do some research on this. I believe some British one penny tokens from the early 1800’s had slanted reeding, but any other ideas are welcome. The other good find I made for the day is a small silver item also about 7 inches down that has threads on each end. Maybe it had something to do with a watch or clock - not sure! I’ve placed a quarter in the picture for scale.

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My friend found what we think is a watch back made of silver. I’ve included a couple of images below. Let me know if you can identify the markings since we could not find a mark of .925 on it.

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Happy Hunting!

Hi I found something similar and can't get any info on it I'm waterford city Ireland this picture