King Arthur in ANNWN (Other World)

[franklin]

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[Gene Mean]

I hope you are right.

 

[ECS]

... King Arthur coming to ANNWN (Other World) which is America, today.
I deciphered an inscription on two stones up in Yarmouth Bay, Nova Scotia. These inscriptions as well as other verified evidence prove that King Arthur came over to this continent in 574AD after his brother, Madoc (Matthew) found this continent in 562AD.
In 572AD, King Arthur sent his astrologer with Madoc, to make another trip over here to verify this country and to verify that the Stars above were in different locations.
After this verification, King Arthur set sail with 700 ships and over 70,000 of his fellow countrymen in 574AD, setting sail from Milford Haven Bay, Wales.

The inscription I was able to read today was written by Merlin (Taliesin) High Intelligence.
There are two stones at Yarmouth Bay, Nova Scotia. They both are runstones with the same inscriptions in the Coelbren/Welsh language. Their message is the same: "Near here, taking off with our Beloved Ruler, a Warrior in a Sack." The Fletcher Stone has this inscription and the Bayview Stone found in the same vicinity says the same. Only the Bayview Stone has three extra letters inscribed and these three letters I was able to figure out today.
After purchasing a book with the Coelbren Ciphers or Numbers. These three symbols are the date 579AD. This proves that King Arthur was killed in Jackson County, Kentucky in 578AD and shipped back home in 579AD...

Much of this originated with the six alternative history books by British authors Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett, and is NOT accepted as fact by Britain's academic historians.
Books, such as Wilson & Blackett's, appeal to the conspiracy minded who believe them to be real "hidden or suppressed history, but just parodies of actual history written to profit to that targeted audience.

Coelbren is a fake Welsh alphabet, created in 1791 by literary forger, Ioio Morganwg ( Edward Williams 1747-1826).
His forgeries he claimed were from the ancient Druid language, and influenced a neo-Druid movement.
The Brandenburg Stone, found in Kentucky, and claimed by John Whitfield in 1965, that the strip of lineal markings was a message in Coelbren.
After exanimation by professional archaeologists, it was concluded the that the markings were natural occurring scratch

 

[godisnum1]

Interesting... [emoji848]

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[franklin]

I hope you are right.

The old saying you can take it to the bank. I guarantee you it is right.

 

[ECS]

The old saying you can take it to the bank. I guarantee you it is right.

Where is the actual evidence that King Arthur in 574AD sailed to America with 70,000 of his fellow country in 700 ships from Wales?
What kind of ships did King Arthur have that could cross the Atlantic with a crew and compliment of 100 souls?
Even in 1607 and 1620 NO ships existed that could carry that many people from England across the Atlantic to the East coast of the "New World".
That is just one fact that questions your "guarantee" of taking "to the bank".
If you, Franklin, my friend, can actually "guarantee" this version of King Arthur history, please by all means, present the documented evidential proof that doesn't involve a fake created Welsh alphabet.

 

[franklin]

ECS, I will not respond to your repeated questions as this is not the time and place for that. When I want to reveal facts to the academics I will do it before them. This is only a forum for discussing our thoughts and beliefs. When a court day comes and I want to put the academics in their place it will not be on a forum which proves nothing to no one. Just enjoy the discussion. If you disagree so be it but please stop messing up my thread.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

All books and articles stating that the fictional King Arthur crossed the Atlantic are fiction as well...

 

[Red-Coat]

Since this is, as you say, “only a forum for discussing our thoughts and beliefs”, I don’t see how you can really complain that ECS is “messing up your thread” when he challenges your beliefs with his own thoughts, some very pertinent questions and valid counter-arguments.

I could single out many more inaccuracies and beliefs for which the evidence simply does not exist but, just for starters:

You’re proposing 70,000 men in 700 ships. There were no ships from the iron age capable of carrying 1,000 men, let alone on a long voyage across the Atlantic with sufficient provisions to sustain them.

Even by medieval times the largest European ship had a crew of about 250 men. Such a ship might have been able to accommodate a little above 800 people (for say, an invasion or assault) but not on a long voyage across an expanse of open water with no opportunities for re-provisioning.

Taking a modest average adult body weight of 60kg, you’re talking 60 tonnes of people per ship. A human also needs about 2.5 litres of water per day (some of which we get from ‘wet’ foods), so each ship would have needed to carry another 2.5 tonnes for every day of the voyage, plus solid food and other provisions.

Columbus achieved the final leg of his 1492 crossing in about 36 days, having re-provisioned at Gran Canaria, but he had only 90 men spread across 3 ships, and that was almost 1,000 years later. Even if a similar voyage could have been made in a similar time in the 6th Century then each ship of 1,000 men would need to be carrying another 90 tonnes to meet the water needs of the occupants, plus other provisions.

The population of Britain (including Wales) was around 4 million at the height of the Roman period and dropped thereafter to around half that level after the Romans pulled out at the beginning of the 5th Century. In part that was also a consequence of a series of bubonic plague outbreaks in Europe, starting in AD 541. Your 70,000 people departing in a short period of time would have been in excess of 3% of our total population. There is no evidence whatsoever for the cultural impact this would have had.

As a theory, it's inconceivable.

 

[franklin]

Since this is, as you say, “only a forum for discussing our thoughts and beliefs”, I don’t see how you can really complain that ECS is “messing up your thread” when he challenges your beliefs with his own thoughts, some very pertinent questions and valid counter-arguments.

I could single out many more inaccuracies and beliefs for which the evidence simply does not exist but, just for starters:

You’re proposing 70,000 men in 700 ships. There were no ships from the iron age capable of carrying 1,000 men, let alone on a long voyage across the Atlantic with sufficient provisions to sustain them.

Even by medieval times the largest European ship had a crew of about 250 men. Such a ship might have been able to accommodate a little above 800 people (for say, an invasion or assault) but not on a long voyage across an expanse of open water with no opportunities for re-provisioning.

Taking a modest average adult body weight of 60kg, you’re talking 60 tonnes of people per ship. A human also needs about 2.5 litres of water per day (some of which we get from ‘wet’ foods), so each ship would have needed to carry another 2.5 tonnes for every day of the voyage, plus solid food and other provisions.

Columbus achieved the final leg of his 1492 crossing in about 36 days, having re-provisioned at Gran Canaria, but he had only 90 men spread across 3 ships, and that was almost 1,000 years later. Even if a similar voyage could have been made in a similar time in the 6th Century then each ship of 1,000 men would need to be carrying another 90 tonnes to meet the water needs of the occupants, plus other provisions.

The population of Britain (including Wales) was around 4 million at the height of the Roman period and dropped thereafter to around half that level after the Romans pulled out at the beginning of the 5th Century. In part that was also a consequence of a series of bubonic plague outbreaks in Europe, starting in AD 541. Your 70,000 people departing in a short period of time would have been in excess of 3% of our total population. There is no evidence whatsoever for the cultural impact this would have had.

As a theory, it's inconceivable.

700 ships only have to carry 100 people to make the requisite number of 70,000. Their ships were capable of carrying over 125 people but since they brought everything else to start another country, I lessened the number by 20 percent to 100 people each.

As for your cultural impact it had already been impacted by a Comet in 562AD that devastated and killed most of the British and Welsh in the South of Great Britain and a great part of Scotland also. The castles and fortifications in southern Scotland got so hot it fused the stones together and made them glassed over. To do that takes a temperature of over 3,000 degrees F. The comets impacts have been averaged to an equivalent of 100 Hiroshima Bombs.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Could the fictional king arthur have used the same space/time warp tunnel that you stated existed in the oak island money pit to transport his armies across the Atlantic? Did they later team up with the templars you spoke of who used the same space/time warp tunnel to go to/from Mars?

I'm confused and just attempting to tie your theories and timelines together....

 

[WG2020]

Red-Coat,

I also find the theory hard to believe as there has never been an archeological site that would confirm any of the claims.

Also, it appears you made a mistake in your math. 70,000 persons divided by 700 ships is 100 persons per ship and not 1,000. Good luck with your hunts. Walt

 

[Red-Coat]

Red-Coat,

I also find the theory hard to believe as there has never been an archeological site that would confirm any of the claims.

Also, it appears you made a mistake in your math. 70,000 persons divided by 700 ships is 100 persons per ship and not 1,000. Good luck with your hunts. Walt

Indeed I did make a mistake in the maths... and apologies to franklin for that! I replied in haste and should have sense-checked the numbers.

 

[Al D]

Milford Haven Bay, in Wales could not possibly hold 700 ships, at least in a manner where they could be supplied and accessed, most of the coast there is rocky cliffs and the tides would make anchoring in close to each other perilous.
The Spanish armada which set sail against England in 1588 consisted of 130 ships and sailed from Corunna, but this bay had multiple areas where long boats could be deployed making it possible to supply such a large number of ships.

 

[ECS]

ECS, I will not respond to your repeated questions as this is not the time and place for that.
When I want to reveal facts to the academics I will do it before them.
This is only a forum for discussing our thoughts and beliefs.
When a court day comes and I want to put the academics in their place it will not be on a forum which proves nothing to no one. Just enjoy the discussion. If you disagree so be it but please stop messing up my thread.

Not trying to "mess" with your thread, but the King Arthur /Madoc/562AD Dragon Comet destroying Whales causing 700 ships to voyage to the "New World" has been theorized in the several books mentioned in POST#3 by Wilson & Blackett.
Wilson & Blackett's pseudo history of the cause and effect of King Arthur's Dragon Comet has already been dismissed by the British Historical Academic community, and it is seriously doubtful quoting the obvious same source material will change their revered august opinion concerning this highly questionable theory.

 

[Al D]

As for your cultural impact it had already been impacted by a Comet in 562AD that devastated and killed most of the British and Welsh in the South of Great Britain and a great part of Scotland also. The castles and fortifications in southern Scotland got so hot it fused the stones together and made them glassed over. To do that takes a temperature of over 3,000 degrees F. The comets impacts have been averaged to an equivalent of 100 Hiroshima Bombs.

If a comet devastated the area, where did Arthur get enough food and freash water to supply his 700 ships, not even going to mention the wood needed to build them.

 

[franklin]

If a comet devastated the area, where did Arthur get enough food and freash water to supply his 700 ships, not even going to mention the wood needed to build them.

He and his army were off fighting a battle. They could not return to Wales. They took ships and went to Ludo, which is Normandy on the coast of France today. They returned 10 years later in 572AD or a year or two before as Madoc returned from his voyage at sea in 572AD. Madoc was sweep out to sea by the whirlwinds and tidal surges and ended up on this continent. It took him that long to search out America and to voyage back home. His son, Morgan was born sometime within those 10 years. As he sat on King Arthur's lap and told him about this "other world"

 

[WG2020]

Franklin,

Interesting theory though how do you account for the lack of archeological evidence. It would be real hard to miss evidence of a community of 70,000 persons living in Kentucky (or anywhere in North America) who would have been equipped with technology light-years ahead of the Native Americans. These would include metal spear, javelin, and arrow heads, metal helmets, different types of pottery and stoneware, and light chain mail (heavy armor came much later despite all the movie depictions). Archeologists note that 40% of male graves include some type of weapon during this age; I would assume that many soldiers would have died during their time in America because your web link highlights the fighting with Native Americans to include killing King Arthur. No, they wouldn’t have carried the bodies back of all the soldiers/knights who died during this time like they supposedly did with King Arthur. Additionally, the Native Americans would have adopted these technologies, especially when it would have improved their war fighting capabilities - at a minimum they would have recovered and subsequently used articles they found on the battlefield yet there is no archeological evidence found

Also, where is the evidence of their towns and dwellings, they would have had to live somewhere in those 10 years the article states they lived in America. You would think we would be finding the ruins of stone castles or at least some kind of large dwelling to house King Arthur’s court. Also, what about their horses, cattle, and sheep, they definitely would have brought their animals with them for food and transportation. It has clearly been established that horses, cattle, and sheep were not on the North American continent prior to Columbus. What about metal cooking and eating utensils, your archeologists and metal detectorists find them on a regular basis in UK but metal utensils of the style from the UK from that time era have never been found in North America - I can guarantee you that the US archeologists and metal detectorists would have found them by now if they were there.

Additionally, one would think that King Arthur’s people would have inter-married with the Native Americans and we would have seen evidence of this with Native Americans having European features coming down through the ages.

Just a couple of thoughts, I am sure that other members of this forum can add many more examples.

Good luck with your hunts. Walt

 

[franklin]

Red-Coat,

I also find the theory hard to believe as there has never been an archeological site that would confirm any of the claims.

Also, it appears you made a mistake in your math. 70,000 persons divided by 700 ships is 100 persons per ship and not 1,000. Good luck with your hunts. Walt

That was not I that made the mistake. Thank you very much.

 

[franklin]

British Historical Academic community? They are only butt kissers wanting to keep their jobs.